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]]> NeverOffside http://forums.lfconline.com/blog.php?b=54 Pre-season friendly - Liverpool v Lazio http://forums.lfconline.com/blog.php?b=53 Sat, 09 Aug 2008 14:07:01 GMT
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]]> NeverOffside http://forums.lfconline.com/blog.php?b=53 Pre-season friendly - Valerenga v Liverpool http://forums.lfconline.com/blog.php?b=52 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 08:23:52 GMT
Valerenga v Liverpool

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]]> NeverOffside http://forums.lfconline.com/blog.php?b=52 Pre-season friendly - Glasgow Rangers v Liverpool http://forums.lfconline.com/blog.php?b=51 Sun, 03 Aug 2008 08:51:47 GMT
Glasgow Rangers v Liverpool

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]]> NeverOffside http://forums.lfconline.com/blog.php?b=51 Pre-season friendly - Villareal v Liverpool http://forums.lfconline.com/blog.php?b=50 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:03:21 GMT
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]]> NeverOffside http://forums.lfconline.com/blog.php?b=50 Pre-season friendly - Hertha Berlin v Liverpool http://forums.lfconline.com/blog.php?b=49 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:04:39 GMT
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]]> NeverOffside http://forums.lfconline.com/blog.php?b=49 Pre-season friendly - Wisla Krakow v Liverpool http://forums.lfconline.com/blog.php?b=48 Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:59:46 GMT
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]]> NeverOffside http://forums.lfconline.com/blog.php?b=48 Pre-season friendly - Lucerne v Liverpool http://forums.lfconline.com/blog.php?b=47 Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:44:30 GMT *Lucerne v Liverpool * Pre-season friendly clash at the Bruehl-Stadium in Grenchen, Switzerland....
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]]> NeverOffside http://forums.lfconline.com/blog.php?b=47 Pre-season friendly action http://forums.lfconline.com/blog.php?b=46 Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:55:50 GMT
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]]> NeverOffside http://forums.lfconline.com/blog.php?b=46 Old Man Kensey http://forums.lfconline.com/blog.php?b=45 Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:42:17 GMT It is clear the missing ingredient in our team is Djimi Traore. He wouldn't have scored an important own goal in a cup match to effectively put us out of the competition...................... ]]> Plughead http://forums.lfconline.com/blog.php?b=45 The FAI http://forums.lfconline.com/blog.php?b=42 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 09:14:58 GMT The incredible FAI - Short for 'FAI'LURE
1965 – Ireland was in a play-off against Spain to qualify for the 1966 World Cup. The FAI agreed to play the game in Paris, where there would be more Spanish fans, if the FAI could have the Spanish share of the gate money. The Spanish agreed, and won the game.

1970s – The FAI regularly organised friendlies in Poland, where officials enjoyed the 'night life' (yes, that means prostitutes), and once did not even stay in the same city as the match. The players travelled to one such game in the luggage carriage of a train, while the officials relaxed on seats.

1980 – After Johnny Giles quit, Eoin Hand beat Paddy Mulligan to the Ireland manager's job by one swing vote. Afterwards, one FAI board member said that he had voted for Hand because he thought Mulligan was the person who had thrown a bun at him on an away trip.

1986 - Jack Charlton became Ireland manager by accident, after the FAI messed up a vote intended to give the job to Bob Paisley. At first Charlton got only three votes out of eighteen, compared to nine for Paisley. The FAI then couldn't contact Charlton to tell him that he had got the job.

1986 – When a friend congratulated Charlton on his new job, he replied 'What job?' On being told he was Ireland manager, he replied 'Oh, I'd forgotten about that.' When Charlton sent his first squad list to the FAI, he found that an FAI official was adding players that he liked onto the list.

1994 - The FAI bought £296,000 of World Cup tickets, and gave most to a tout with the confidence-inspiring nickname of 'George the Greek', who unsurprisingly did a runner. The FAI ended up with a 'trading shortfall' of over £200,000, for which they obtained just 314 extra tickets for one Ireland match.

1996 – Two referees won a court case against the FAI after being downgraded for failing a new test. The judge called the FAI 'an autocracy which was incapable of abiding by its own rules'. The FAI quickly reacted by writing to 142 other referees, banning them all from refereeing for not taking the same test - the exact opposite of the court judgment.

1999 – The FAI announced a plan to spend £65m on a new stadium, but forgot to include the £16m cost of the site, then spent years debating which of two non-existent stadiums they would use. During the optimistic FAI bid to host Euro 2008, the UEFA panel was photographed examining an empty field.

2002 – The FAI prepared for the World Cup by forgetting to bring proper footballs to an island that had no proper football pitch, causing a minor civil war back home. On returning, the FAI ordered an independent investigation into itself, and pretty much ignored the results.


2002 – The FAI tried to sell TV rights for Ireland games to the subscription channel Sky. When the Government told them that EU law protects important cultural events for terrestrial TV viewers to watch free, the FAI countered that Irish football is not culturally important.

2005 – The FAI fired Brian Kerr, the only Irish manager to have won European and World trophies, and vowed to replace him with a World-class manager. This turned out to be Stephen Staunton, the part-time unofficial coach of the defenders at a poor English third division team.

2007 – The FAI has just fined two League of Ireland clubs €500 each because their fans were throwing paper. This comes after they introduced a revised promotion system for last season, which infuriated a Dundalk fan so much that he occupied their offices and doused himself with petrol. ]]> ger_ryan22 http://forums.lfconline.com/blog.php?b=42 The Reverend Speaks http://forums.lfconline.com/blog.php?b=41 Mon, 24 Dec 2007 15:25:53 GMT So Ryan why did you join Liverpool well i was told that i could find God and JC at Anfield and that... So Ryan why did you join Liverpool well i was told that i could find God and JC at Anfield and that he was idolised by the fans also that the fans are religious in their support. Although i made my debut on a Sunday i couldn't see God maybe Rafa rotated him as the players tell me he does not respect reputations he also wants the team to work seven days a week. I did meet JC though and like it says in the scriptures he comes in many different guises.

I had a good feeling Torres which means tower in Spanish and myself Babel and you get the towers of babel and don't forget Yossi who comes from the so called holy land.

Is it true than Manchester United were interested in you? It was however i was advised that this is a club full of sin and damnation many unhealthy activities occur here. At first it seemed a good place where the players and the community come together at Christmas for a good roast, harvesting it is called seems odd for this time of year. They select women of ill repute who they try to convert apparently they get them on their knees and ask them to give their blessing. Lets just say they broke a few of the ten commandments.

Also JC and Stevie told me a joke about the Nevilles i don't know the right word but erm lets say that brothers and sisters are very close in Manchester. ]]> Rafas_Reds http://forums.lfconline.com/blog.php?b=41 Heysel - A Night To Remember (5) http://forums.lfconline.com/blog.php?b=40 Sun, 25 Nov 2007 00:41:09 GMT The stadium itself was frightening to behold. Steel crush barriers at the Italian end of the... The stadium itself was frightening to behold. Steel crush barriers at the Italian end of the terrace were bent and buckled entirely out of shape, in a grisly testament to the force of the Liverpool charge. It was in many respects fortunate that the wall had collapsed, as it is estimated that had it not done so the death toll could have been many times higher. In an unpleasant twist of fate, Liverpool supporters themselves experienced exactly what happens when force is unable to dissipate four years later, when 96 of their own number were crushed to death as a result of overcrowding at the 1989 FA Cup Semi Final at Hillsborough, England.

Official reaction was swift: English teams were banned from European competition for six years. This damaged the English game as top players, deprived of competing at European level, chose to play on the Continent instead. Also, several smaller clubs, whose domestic performances would otherwise have qualified them for the various European tournaments, missed their chance. Margaret Thatcher and the Queen issued formal apologies to the people of Belgium and Italy. A series of sweeping police anti-hooligan offensives saw several known 'Generals' jailed, although many hooligans simply decided that they had seen enough, and abandoned terrace violence altogether.

As we have seen, there were many reasons why the circumstances surrounding the events of the 1985 European Cup Final arose. Had it not done so at the Heysel Stadium, something similar was bound to have happened somewhere, such was the level of antagonism surrounding English football at the time. Until the Heysel Stadium, the terraces of English football grounds were little more than filthy concrete expanses where tens of thousands of people were literally locked in and left to their own devices for a couple of hours every Saturday afternoon. After Heysel, the authorities were no longer able to dismiss terrace violence as little more than working class lads letting off steam.

Today, many of the huge fan banners on display wherever Liverpool play incorporate a Juventus flag as a mark of respect to the victims of the most shocking night European football has ever seen. ]]> redebreck http://forums.lfconline.com/blog.php?b=40 Heysel - A Night To Remember (4) http://forums.lfconline.com/blog.php?b=39 Sun, 25 Nov 2007 00:39:21 GMT 1984 - Liverpool v AS Roma, Rome It can be argued that the Heysel Stadium Tragedy really began... 1984 - Liverpool v AS Roma, Rome

It can be argued that the Heysel Stadium Tragedy really began the year before. Liverpool, perhaps the greatest club side England has ever produced, had reached the European Cup Final for the fourth time in their history. Unusually, they were to start the match as underdogs, as by a strange quirk, the Final was to be held on the home ground of their opponents, AS Roma.

Roma were confident of victory. However, after a dour, tense game, Liverpool won in a penalty shoot-out. The next day, the English press carried page after page of pictures of the winning side, and dozens of pictures of delirious 'Scousers' ('Scouser' being a slang term for a native of Liverpool) dancing in the Trevi fountain. What received rather less coverage was the roaming scooter gangs hunting down Liverpool supporters, stabbing and slashing dozens, many of whom were family groups returning to hotels in the area. One 13-year-old boy was almost ripped apart, needing 200 stitches in his face alone. Many hoteliers refused to let their English guests in, either out of spite or for fear of subsequent attacks on their premises. There was little protection from the Police, who routinely attacked and robbed English supporters in revenge for the defeat of the local team. Before the match, stewards and gate attendants had taken hundreds of watches, cameras and items of jewellery from visiting supporters. That night, many desperate English fans, deserted by Italian coach drivers booked to drive them to Rome airport, sought sanctuary at the British Embassy.

Scores To Settle - Terrace Culture In The 1980s

There have been countless attempts to rationalise football hooliganism. Many cite what is seen as the inherent violence of the English working class. Others argue that somehow fighting is in the gene pool - a nation that has sent almost every generation of its men folk to war throughout antiquity has produced a social stratum naturally predisposed to violent disorder. It could simply be that if 40,000 people are crammed into one place and given even the slenderest reason to confront each other, there will be a small proportion that will do so, and a greater proportion that will allow themselves to be drawn in.

Whatever the reasons, by the mid-1980s violence was endemic in and around football grounds throughout England. With little closed-circuit television and largely indifferent policing, hooligan 'firms' had carte blanche to set about each other wherever they met. Indeed, terrace violence had attained a certain glamour with the screening of a famous documentary - Hooligan - which followed the exploits of West Ham's Inter City Firm. At Upton Park, the home of West Ham, a brisk trade in t-shirts bearing the legend 'You've Seen The Film - Now Meet The Stars' sprung up. West Ham were also responsible for the introduction of 'calling cards'. These cheery items, bearing the legend 'Congratulations. You Have Just Met The ICF - Inter City Firm, West Ham' were pinned to the clothes of unconscious and occasionally lifeless victims. Enterprising Cockney hooligans eventually patented the name 'ICF' and made a small fortune from its use.

Although the major London firms of West Ham, Millwall and Chelsea attracted the most media attention, almost any club was capable of attracting hundreds if not thousands of willing combatants. Leeds United were particularly notorious, as were Newcastle United, Cardiff City, Swansea City, and the Sheffield and Manchester clubs. Violence between Cardiff and Swansea was so bad that for a while it seemed likely that the fixture would be deleted from the season's programme altogether, and the result decided by the Pools panel. In Cambridge, city councillors attempted to ban visiting supporters after Millwall wrecked the city centre. Luton Town went one step further and actually did ban opposing supporters, simultaneously introducing an identity card scheme for home fans after Millwall fans rioted through their town. Every level of the game was affected: there were widespread disturbances when Leyton Orient played Slough. These were not random events, either. There was a recognised pecking order running from 'Generals' at the top to 'Under 5's' or 'Youth Firms' of junior thugs at the bottom. 'Spotters' were employed to report on the movements of opposing supporters. Indeed, a journalist commenting on Arsenal's Gooners at the time wrote 'They looked like an army - and after the game went into action like one'. The banning of alcohol from grounds did little to stem the violence. Injecting oranges with vodka was one imaginative solution. Others simply drank outside the ground or took drugs. Most were happy enough to 'mix it' while completely sober.

Despite the prevailing terrace culture, Liverpool supporters had no particular reputation for violence, outside of an intense rivalry with Manchester United (during the 1985 FA Cup semi-final between the teams, supporters had hurled golf balls with eight inch nails driven through them at each other). However, news of what had happened in Rome spread quickly. It became clear that some sort of reprisal was considered to be in order. The perfect opportunity presented itself the following year, when Liverpool again reached the European Cup Final and again faced an Italian team - Juventus of Turin. Even the most placid terrace fan knew that there was going to be unfinished business to attend to at the Heysel Stadium.

'The Day That Football Died' - Newspaper Headline.

Built in the 1920s, the Heysel Stadium was quite simply the worst venue in the world to host such a volatile encounter. The game was due to be the last match ever played at the ground, as it had been condemned many years previously for failing to meet modern standards of safety and design. As a result, little money had been spent upon it, and large parts of the stadium were crumbling.

There was little segregation of supporters, a factor exacerbated by the indiscriminate selling of black market tickets by touts. Many fans found that it was possible to enter the ground by simply lifting a section of the flimsy fencing that surrounded the terraces. There had been skirmishes around Brussels all day, and local police responded by getting fans into the stadium as quickly as possible, rather than arresting and detaining offenders. This haphazard stewarding of rival fans proved to be crucial as the tragedy unfolded: as there was no way of knowing who was in the ground and where they were, it was impossible for police to weed out known troublemakers, and easy for pockets of hard core hooligans to assemble wherever they wished. As a result, two hours before kick off, perhaps the most malevolent assembly of football supporters ever seen in one place had gathered, and as far as they were concerned, it was payback time. It should be understood that not just Liverpool hooligans were present. There were contingents from a great many firms all over the country, from Luton MIGS to Millwall Bushwackers, West Ham ICF and Newcastle Toon Army. After the events in Rome, club rivalries had been put aside: Juventus were to catch the full fury of the English hooligan elite.

Violence was immediate. Italian fascists, who were present in force among the Juventus contingent, goaded supporters into making incursions into the main body of Liverpool fans, at the Western end of an enormous shared terrace. What were initially scuffles quickly escalated into a series of serious terrace battles. Then, 20:45 local time, something dreadful happened. The Liverpool fans charged into a solid mass of Juventus support, which was hemmed in on three sides by crumbling concrete walls. Unstoppable force had met immovable object.

The Juventus supporters attempted to fall back. However, with no avenue of retreat, they simply piled on top of each other. Panic set in among the Italians, some of whom were now starting to be crushed at the rear of the terrace as the Liverpool supporters continued to charge against the front. At this moment, with police and stewards too stunned to react, a wall at the Eastern end of the terrace gave way. Dozens of Juventus supporters were now trapped against what remained of the wall, and were trampled underfoot as thousands of people stampeded over them. It was at this point that the majority of the deaths occurred.

Meanwhile, there was mayhem in the ground itself. Italian supporters invaded the pitch in an effort to get at the English. All over the stadium violence erupted. It appeared that one Italian fan was firing a gun into the Liverpool fans: this later turned out to be a starting pistol. In desperation, several Liverpool players spoke across the public address system in an attempt to calm the supporters. Eventually, with the arrival of police reinforcements and elements of the Belgian army, enough order was restored for the match to take place. Neither set of players wanted to play. However, it was felt that even more carnage might ensure if rival supporters were allowed to rampage through Brussels. In one of the most meaningless matches ever played, Juventus won 1-0 with a goal by French genius Michel Platini.

The Aftermath

The next morning, flowers were left on the doorsteps of Italian restaurants all over Liverpool. Bemused fans arriving home seemed unable to grasp what they had witnessed. In Brussels, dozens of supporters were quizzed by police, although relatively few custodial sentences were passed. The supporters were described as 'fighting mad' by the Belgian police. One had to be injected with six times the amount of tranquilliser required to knock out a horse in order to calm down enough to be interviewed. ]]> redebreck http://forums.lfconline.com/blog.php?b=39 Heysel - A Night To Remember (3) http://forums.lfconline.com/blog.php?b=38 Sun, 25 Nov 2007 00:36:45 GMT In fact in certain circumstances, if those boys really were there in sufficient numbers, I could... In fact in certain circumstances, if those boys really were there in sufficient numbers, I could envisage a situation in which we would have stood shoulder to shoulder WITH the Juve fans fighting against those cunts we hated, who had made so many of our trips to London sheer hell. Such was the contempt we held these people in.
It also seems strange to me that if they were there in large numbers, that out of those lads who were extradited and forced to stand trial in Belgium, and actually spend some time in a Belgian jail, not one of them had any associations with the London clubs usually mentioned. As far as I can remember, they were all local, or local-ish, Liverpool fans. Surely if these cockney “instigators” were at the forefront of the action, at least one or two of them would have been rounded up with the rest of the supposed culprits.
Sure the events of Rome played a part in what happened. But not because fans were after revenge. It was more a case of if they DO start, then this time we won’t be taking any shit. Sure enough the Juve fans did start doling out shit in zone Z were they easily outnumbered the Liverpool fans who were getting a hard time from the Italians as the police looked on doing nothing. So those Reds in the next section took it upon themselves to help their mates. The rest is tragic history.
Nobody wanted to kill anybody, and if they knew what was going to happen, I’m sure they would have held back.
But it did happen, and as far as I’m concerned, based on what I saw, it was Liverpool fans doing it, not Chelsea or anyone else.
I can’t help feeling that the other clubs firms thing is a straw that too many of our fans are only too willing to clutch at to play down the role of about 200 of our own supporters that night.
There were lots of reasons why it happened, and it was frustrating as fuck that nobody wanted to know these reasons at the time.
But I for one don’t think it’s right that some want to hide behind something that as far as I could see, didn’t happen.
It was a terrible, terrible night, that left me feeling even worse than I initially did after Hillsborough. It was only after the lies and cover ups started that Hillsborough overtook the events of Heysel as the worse thing that ever happened in my time as a Liverpool fan.
People are right to want the other reasons for the Heysel tragedy discussed and brought in to the open, they certainly weren’t at the time. And I’m glad that the events of Rome are now finally being made public to a wider audience. But by trying to downplay the part some of OUR fans played in the events of that night, effectively trying to cling to the bollocks first uttered by John Smith, I just don’t think we do ourselves any favours.
If someone can prove me wrong on this matter, either now, or at some time in the future, I sincerely apologise, it’s obviously a very emotive subject.
But judging by what I saw, the fans of other clubs did not play a SIGNIFICANT role in what happened.
That’s the way I saw it!

JOE L
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Ian
In no way was i suggesting that Liverpool fans were led like sheep into this tragedy on the contrary they saw an opportunity and waded in. I was making the point of what i witnessed and wondered what recollections anyone else had. I agree there was a contingent of Everton fans at the game; in fact one of the Lads who got sent down was an Everton fan he was a lad i went to school with.

I belive that a lot of the perpetrators faded when it all kicked off and rest just got stuck into to innocent people who went to watch the match.

We are no way blameless.

Ian K
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I know Joe.
I wasn't having a go at anything you said, it was more that article I mentioned that was put up on RAWK.
It was virtually suggesting that there was some sort of camerarderie (is that spelt right?) between our fans and those supposed legions of Cockneys, and others, who were supposedly there that night.
That would NEVER have happened.
It seems to me that now some people are at last admitting there was more to it than out and out Scouse hooliganism, in their efforts to go in to more details they are still getting it wrong.


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Ian.

Don't know if I mentioned this before ( more like can't remember! ), but Nicky Alt in Boys From the Mersey said there were no other 'firms' there and that it was solely the responsibility of Reds fans. However, Andy Nichols in Scally said there were some lads from other firms, West Ham, Brum, Chelsea etc who were there 'for a look'. There are aspects of it that appear odd to say the least.

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Scally is possibly the biggest load of bollocks I've ever read.I have to agree with most of what Ian K said about it.There's no way on earth we'd have put up with other firms being there,as you said John Smith was the one who started that rumour off.

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One of my memories of that night was having to listen to Jimmy Hill and Terry Venables trying to out Daily Mail each other.

"...scum...national game...pride...National Service...game for gentlemen...publicly sodomised by apes etc."
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Kemlyn Head.

I only read his bit about Heysel ( Scally ). Just thought it was odd given that he ( Nichols ) says he was at Heysel.
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I don't know what Andy Nichols says in Scally, and I've no intention of finding out. But the Everton fans there that I was aware of were not there to cause trouble either. There were quite a few of them used to go to such games with their Red mates back then, as up till that year, they had no such matches of their own to look forward to.
And we used to be mates then too remember, which makes it all seem a very long time ago.

Steven - Dublin
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Very well written pieces by Angel, Joe and Ian.

Ian, could you post the link for the RAWK thread on the different firms being there. And are there any articles about Rome? I didn't know about that at all.
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This is the article I was on about Steve.
It's pretty long and mostly quite good I suppose. but as I've already said, there are large assumptions made which I just don't agree with.

Part One (it's too long to fit in one post apparently).

Taken at their most simple level, the events of Wednesday, 29 May, 1985, are as stark as they are horrifying: at the European Cup Final, the most prestigious occasion in the European football calendar, Liverpool supporters charged Juventus supporters, causing 39 deaths.

The circumstances under which this dreadful event occurred - while nonetheless horrifying - reveal a far more complex set of causes, and an insight into terrace culture at the height of the football hooligan phenomenon. ]]> redebreck http://forums.lfconline.com/blog.php?b=38