Bob Crow

[Ducatiboy749]

Fuck you you fat headed commie pig cunt.

That is all.

[sk1974]

+1

[REDMATT]

Oh quite. Lets not upset the Mayor.

[Ducatiboy749]

What's the mayor got to do with it?

[JONO]

Fuck you you fat headed commie pig cunt.

That is all.


Why ,what's he done that is so wrong ;)

[REDMATT]

What's the mayor got to do with it?

From the interviews I heard this morning quite alot ;)

Seems that LUL users are caught between 2 fairly large ego's today.

[Ducatiboy749]

From the interviews I heard this morning quite alot ;)

Seems that LUL users are caught between 2 fairly large ego's today.

Oh most definitely. Don't get me wrong Boris is a fuckwit of the highest order but the other fella revels in this sort of shit.

IF he's got an ounce of sense, he'll be keeping a very low profile today.

All this disruption for two thick arse-holes who got bombed in a disciplinary.

They must be pissing themselves.

[AshyP]

Oh most definitely. Don't get me wrong Boris is a fuckwit of the highest order but the other fella revels in this sort of shit.

IF he's got an ounce of sense, he'll be keeping a very low profile today.

All this disruption for two thick arse-holes who got bombed in a disciplinary.

They must be pissing themselves.

All i know is what i read in the Metro yesterday. Apparently he added the 2 sacked employees into the mix at the last minute when everything else had been agreed. Dont know how true that is.

All i know is that I had to pick up the missus and her mates from The O2 last night and I didnt get home til 1am :mad:

[Ducatiboy749]

All i know is what i read in the Metro yesterday. Apparently he added the 2 sacked employees into the mix at the last minute when everything else had been agreed. Dont know how true that is.

All i know is that I had to pick up the missus and her mates from The O2 last night and I didnt get home til 1am :mad:

Mate as I said, he revels in all this and always has done.

Trade Unions are supposed to help the working classes aren't they?
:rolleyes:

Fucked if I've evere seen him help anyone except himself and his LU cronies.

[REDMATT]

I can't really speak for LUL staff but the RMT have been in negotiations with a few "rail company's" over a prolonged period of time and not getting very far.

Having been in the NUR / RMT for 20 years, unfortunately I can see today’s strike as almost the last throw of the dice for what was once one of the strongest unions in the country.

From what I heard today negotiations were close to agreement last night, cancelling today's strike before there was a last minute call from the Mayors office.

[sk1974]

Any organisation that has the power to bring a city of 7 million people to a standstill and cost the economy over £100m on the say so of less than half it's membership (2800 voted to strike) has too much power. If LUL are risking lives by their actions then fair enough but pay and conditions? These cunts have a 35 hour week and start on over £30k per year, subsidised taxis to get them to and from work and job protection through that organisation despite serious breaches of health and safety (one of the two current sackings was H&S related, the other for alleged theft). The democratic right to strike is a fundamental part of our civilisation but when it hurts so many people and organisations, not just their employers then that right should come with conditions attached. Industrial action doesn't have to be a strike.

[sk1974]

And the fact that ASLEF refused to support the strike says a lot about it's validity.

[Evs]

And the fact that ASLEF refused to support the strike says a lot about it's validity.

...is an anagram of 'total and complete bastard'.

[RED CORNER]

Any organisation that has the power to bring a city of 7 million people to a standstill and cost the economy over £100m on the say so of less than half it's membership (2800 voted to strike) has too much power. If LUL are risking lives by their actions then fair enough but pay and conditions? These cunts have a 35 hour week and start on over £30k per year, subsidised taxis to get them to and from work and job protection through that organisation despite serious breaches of health and safety (one of the two current sackings was H&S related, the other for alleged theft). The democratic right to strike is a fundamental part of our civilisation but when it hurts so many people and organisations, not just their employers then that right should come with conditions attached. Industrial action doesn't have to be a strike.


Do you think they'd be earning what they do and enjoying the benefits they do if there were never any Unions?

According to a Union bloke on 5 Live on Tuesday they thought an agreement had been reached which they were going to recommend to their members only to find that the management had changed its mind. I suspect that fat tory cunt Johnson had something to do with it and wanted the Union to be made to look bad as a result.

[AshyP]

Do you think they'd be earning what they do and enjoying the benefits they do if there were never any Unions?

According to a Union bloke on 5 Live on Tuesday they thought an agreement had been reached which they were going to recommend to their members only to find that the management had changed its mind. I suspect that fat tory cunt Johnson had something to do with it and wanted the Union to be made to look bad as a result.

I dare say we wont find out the truth behind the last minute change of mind. I am doubting whether Crow or Johnson ever intended to deal with each other.

[sk1974]

Do you think they'd be earning what they do and enjoying the benefits they do if there were never any Unions?

No I don't but they need to know where to draw the line. Their strength lies in gaining public support for their actions and the RMT is turning the public off to their cause. They already have pay and conditions that outweigh those that most of their passengers get.

They also strike so often and disrupt so many people's lives that the natural insinct on hearing of another strike is to dismiss them as workshy cunts without even examining the reasons behind the action. Industrial action doesn't have to screw my life up as well. They can work to rule or refuse overtime as a couple of suggestions. Both actions would result in inconvenience for their bosses without crippling a whole city.

As I said in my previous post, one of the sackings that is part of this is H&S related. I can remeber at least one strike ballot (Can't recall if it led to a strike) in recent years following a driver being sacked for going through red signals. Bob Crow is happy to lend his support to people who put my life at risk through either negligence or incompetence, and if necessary bring a city that had nothing to do with it to a standstill.

Bob Crow is a cunt.

[redsam]

Cunt of the highest fucking order.

I really despise this man. He's been Union leader for a number of years now and caused so much grief to people. It's like he's on a power trip, knowing how much he cripples London everytime he does this.

Even just seeing his smug face makes me wanna smack it.

[RED CORNER]

Cunt of the highest fucking order.

I really despise this man. He's been Union leader for a number of years now and caused so much grief to people. It's like he's on a power trip, knowing how much he cripples London everytime he does this.

Even just seeing his smug face makes me wanna smack it.



So, he's all about crippling London above looking out for his members?


Yes, of course he is you clueless prick.

[RED CORNER]

No I don't but they need to know where to draw the line. Their strength lies in gaining public support for their actions and the RMT is turning the public off to their cause. They already have pay and conditions that outweigh those that most of their passengers get.

They also strike so often and disrupt so many people's lives that the natural insinct on hearing of another strike is to dismiss them as workshy cunts without even examining the reasons behind the action. Industrial action doesn't have to screw my life up as well. They can work to rule or refuse overtime as a couple of suggestions. Both actions would result in inconvenience for their bosses without crippling a whole city.

As I said in my previous post, one of the sackings that is part of this is H&S related. I can remeber at least one strike ballot (Can't recall if it led to a strike) in recent years following a driver being sacked for going through red signals. Bob Crow is happy to lend his support to people who put my life at risk through either negligence or incompetence, and if necessary bring a city that had nothing to do with it to a standstill.

Bob Crow is a cunt.



Posted by me.

According to a Union bloke on 5 Live on Tuesday they thought an agreement had been reached which they were going to recommend to their members only to find that the management had changed its mind. I suspect that fat tory cunt Johnson had something to do with it and wanted the Union to be made to look bad as a result.



Care to comment on this, or is EVERYTHING down to the Union?

[sk1974]

The point is that he's turning into the little boy who cried wolf. He's shouted about better pay and conditions and shut the city down so many times that he's now destroying his own cause. Crow and his team have done a great job for his members but in the last couple of years he's taken it too far. If I was one of his members I'd want him out.

People like him led to Thatcher all but destroying the Unions in the 80s. I assume from the tone of your posts in this thread that you believe in the Trade Union movement. People like Bob Crow are harming that cause.

[redsam]

So, he's all about crippling London above looking out for his members?


Yes, of course he is you clueless prick.

Work in London do you. Been personally affected by it?

[sk1974]

Posted by me.

According to a Union bloke on 5 Live on Tuesday they thought an agreement had been reached which they were going to recommend to their members only to find that the management had changed its mind. I suspect that fat tory cunt Johnson had something to do with it and wanted the Union to be made to look bad as a result.



Care to comment on this, or is EVERYTHING down to the Union?

No, it's not just the Union. It takes 2 people/groups to have an argument but why do 7 million people and thousands of businesses have to suffer because an above inflation pay offer, guaranteed for 4 years isn't enough. LUL didn't go on strike and the RMT didn't need to.

If the RMT have a genuine case to be disgruntled then they should sack their PR people. I live in Surrey and travel to London at least once a week as well as having constant exposure to all the London media and I haven't heard one compelling argument to support this strike. Even his colleagues in ASLEF who normally back him up are saying he's got this one wrong.

As for the last minute change of heart, I've heard rumours on both sides so I'm keeping an open mind till someone publishes minutes from the meeting.

I'll say it again. Bob Crow is harming the cause he claims to represent.

And fucking up the lives of 7 million people in the process. Thank fuck he didn't get anywhere in last week's elections.

[The Prince]

It's not all bad. The Northern Line's still open so some of us can still get to work.



























Bastards.

[sk1974]

It's not all bad. The Northern Line's still open so some of us can still get to work.



























Bastards.

What a cunt. Can't even organise a strike properly :D

[sk1974]

But you're clearly not doing any work.

[REDMATT]

Work in London do you. Been personally affected by it?

Irrelevant.

[The Prince]

But you're clearly not doing any work.

I am.

I'm Red Matt's supervisor.

Matthew, a word...

[AshyP]

I've been contemplating moving away from London for one reason or another fo quite sometime. I think it might be time to actually do something about it

[sk1974]

Irrelevant.

No it's not. When an organisation screws your life up several times a year it moulds your view of them.

For those of you that live or work on the Wirral image this scenario. The tunnel staff go on strike several times a year over pay and conditions despite those same pay and conditions being better than those enjoyed by the people driving through the tunnel every day. As a result you have to leave home over an hour earlier on those days to find a route via Runcorn and have the same issues on the way home. Do you support them unconditionally every time?

When I hear RMT on the news now I am immediately in a bad mood before I even hear the story. Bob Crow has to work very hard to convince me he's right each time now and, I'm sorry to say Boris Johnson doesn't. He's just done it too many times without good cause.

I'll say it again. Industrial action does not have to be a strike that fucks over an entire city. If he recognised this occasionally then he might get a bit more sympathy for his members.

[RED CORNER]

Work in London do you. Been personally affected by it?


No and no.


You made out that Crow's primary aim is to fuck up London and its inhabitants. I beg to differ that this is the case.

[sk1974]

No and no.


You made out that Crow's primary aim is to fuck up London and its inhabitants. I beg to differ that this is the case.

I don't believe that either but I do believe that if it furthers his own political career he'll do it.

[REDMATT]

No it's not. When an organisation screws your life up several times a year it moulds your view of them.

For those of you that live or work on the Wirral image this scenario. The tunnel staff go on strike several times a year over pay and conditions despite those same pay and conditions being better than those enjoyed by the people driving through the tunnel every day. As a result you have to leave home over an hour earlier on those days to find a route via Runcorn and have the same issues on the way home. Do you support them unconditionally every time?

When I hear RMT on the news now I am immediately in a bad mood before I even hear the story. Bob Crow has to work very hard to convince me he's right each time now and, I'm sorry to say Boris Johnson doesn't. He's just done it too many times without good cause.

I'll say it again. Industrial action does not have to be a strike that fucks over an entire city. If he recognised this occasionally then he might get a bit more sympathy for his members.


So the fact you perhaps don't have a union to protect your pay and conditions is Bob Crows fault? If we knew the facts of the dispute we'd be better placed to discuss it.

There's two ways to view any industrial action. You could get the arse and view those taking action as "cunts" as described in this thread, or you could take a moment to see what the crack is. The RMT has been involved in several disputes across the Network this year, some for the right reason, some maybe not but the underlying reasons are predominantly to protect pay and conditions in the industry. An industry which is currently undergoing another round of massive changes.With the changes those conditions are under "review" its important to protect them.

Unions and they're members do not go on strike on a whim. Its worth bearing that in mind.

[sk1974]

Unions and they're members do not go on strike on a whim. Its worth bearing that in mind.

But as I keep saying, it's not the only course of action open to them. They can hit their bosses in the pocket and hugely inconvenience them without fucking up 7 million days. All they are doing by constantly striking is alienating the people they need on their side.

If you're a waiter or cleaner or shop assistant on minimum wage are you going to have sympathy for someone on over 30k for a 35 hour week who fucks up your life because he doesn't like his boss. LUL aren't the losers in this, millions of others are.

I support the right to strike for anyone, even those currently forbidden in certain circumstances (Police, Forces) but when the consequenses of striking affect so many innocent people then that right should have conditions/restrictions attached to it.

[REDMATT]

No you're right its not the only course of action but sometimes the only way of having any effect.

Your point about the minimum wage is also a very good one. Any idea's how the principle of a minimum wage came about? ;)

[sk1974]

Yes, I was a bartender who got a pay rise when the minimum wage came in. :)

As I've already stated, Bob Crow has served his members well but he's gone too far in the last couple of years. He's slowly eroded public support for his members and is now failing them. Within 12 months we will have a Tory government and if Cameron wants to make a name for himself I can see him taking the RMT on and he'll have the London electorate on his side.

It's also worth noting that Bob Crow stood in the European elections as leader of his own anti-Europe party. Concentrating fully on his Union duties in the run up to the talks over the strike? I doubt it very much.

[REDMATT]

Yes, I was a bartender who got a pay rise when the minimum wage came in. :)

As I've already stated, Bob Crow has served his members well but he's gone too far in the last couple of years. He's slowly eroded public support for his members and is now failing them. Within 12 months we will have a Tory government and if Cameron wants to make a name for himself I can see him taking the RMT on and he'll have the London electorate on his side.

.


Is a fair point but the RMT is still a fairly powerful National union. The trouble it has is it's membership is too fragmented so the likelihood of joined action is limited.

I shouldn't worry about the TSSA though, they're fooking shite. ;)

[sk1974]

Still an absolute twat. A strike for no reason other than to keep himself in the public eye.

[big dutch]

Still an absolute twat. A strike for no reason other than to keep himself in the public eye.

well i was listening to radio london yesterday (some incredible stories on the blitz on there) and a few workers who would be losing there jobs called in........in my book thats a reason to strike

[simon pieman]

Didnt do himself any favours by been pissed and taunting Sammy McIlroy in the play offs last season did he.

[ARMCHAIR EXPERT]

Still an absolute twat. A strike for no reason other than to keep himself in the public eye.

And of course the members so love going on strike so that they lose pay...

For once we have a union leader who actually supports his members....
And as for bringing a city to a standstill they what other option is open to them, they are actually striking to save jobs and safety.
Although when an accident happens on the tube then I'm sure everyone will have a right whinge about how safety has been compromised in the persuit of profits.


Oh and bringing a city to it's kness??? what about those twats in the city of London in the banks who have brought the country to it's knees.

Bill Shankly would be turning in his grave that so-called Liverpool fans are slagging off a trade union leader and one that has got the balls to stand up to one of the most right-wing governments in years....You should be ashamed or better still fuck off and support Chelsea.

Power to the People.....

[muse100]

And of course the members so love going on strike so that they lose pay...

For once we have a union leader who actually supports his members....
And as for bringing a city to a standstill they what other option is open to them, they are actually striking to save jobs and safety.
Although when an accident happens on the tube then I'm sure everyone will have a right whinge about how safety has been compromised in the persuit of profits.


Oh and bringing a city to it's kness??? what about those twats in the city of London in the banks who have brought the country to it's knees.

Bill Shankly would be turning in his grave that so-called Liverpool fans are slagging off a trade union leader and one that has got the balls to stand up to one of the most right-wing governments in years....You should be ashamed or better still fuck off and support Chelsea.

Power to the People.....

Well said that man.

Mr Crow may come over badly sometimes but he's doing his job, and if he manages to maintain current staffing and safety levels then he's doing it well .

[user name]

the thing is... peoples ideas about collective action are clouded by their own interests... 'what's in it for me?' rather than 'what's in it for US!' ...

fragmentation... dissent... no true leadership... disaffection and it all goes west...

union... there's a clue in the word!!!

[The Prince]

I don't mind a day's hardship if it stops management fucking people around.

[moe1971]

No I don't but they need to know where to draw the line. Their strength lies in gaining public support for their actions and the RMT is turning the public off to their cause. They already have pay and conditions that outweigh those that most of their passengers get.

They also strike so often and disrupt so many people's lives that the natural insinct on hearing of another strike is to dismiss them as workshy cunts without even examining the reasons behind the action. Industrial action doesn't have to screw my life up as well. They can work to rule or refuse overtime as a couple of suggestions. Both actions would result in inconvenience for their bosses without crippling a whole city.

As I said in my previous post, one of the sackings that is part of this is H&S related. I can remeber at least one strike ballot (Can't recall if it led to a strike) in recent years following a driver being sacked for going through red signals. Bob Crow is happy to lend his support to people who put my life at risk through either negligence or incompetence, and if necessary bring a city that had nothing to do with it to a standstill.

Bob Crow is a cunt.

scab.

[tobermory]

I must have missed the arguments, but it seems now all that happens is LUL make the suggestion that costs need to be cut (which isn't an unreasonable position to take if it can be proved not to harm the service, the customers (yuk, I hate that word for public services) and the employees). The RMT simply stands up and says "Health and Safety" and then calls for a ballot to strike.

The comment earlier in this thread is a fair one - the RMT should work on their PR a bit. If they explained the "Health and Safety" problems in simple terms (e.g. (1) for every person made redundant, that's one hour longer that people are likely to be stuck in the lifts at Warren Street or Bank or wherever else has lifts because the people being made redundant deal with lift maintenance (2) we need to have three people on the platform because given the busy nature of tube platforms these days they expertly manage the crowd congestion which prevents someone falling onto the track) then people would buy into it. Instead all that happens is it sounds like a convenient calling card to hold a ballot.

It's got so bad that people are making the point that the tube strikes seem to coincide with England internationals so Bob and his cronies can go the game without needing to worry about work getting in the way.

At the risk of alienating people on here, I'm going to put my political cards on the table before saying the next bit. I consider myself to be an old fashioned Tory democrat with an odd leaning towards Shankly socialism (it's a bit of a confusing mess but I was brought up in Bolton which, whilst being a working class town, has a statue to Disraelli and I like a lot of his politics (theoretically if not in practice)). That doesn't mean rampant capitalism is ok and screw the working man. It doesn't mean leaving people at the bottom of society to fester. It means if you do well then well done you. But you will contribute for having done so and it does mean that you have to give people every opportunity to help themselves (and help them if they can't).

Based on that, I am entirely in favour of unions. The old fashioned unions helped educate their members (Ruskin College in Oxford being an excellent but by no means the only example). The Unions quite rightly should be standing up for their members when there is a concerted attack by capital to drive down costs to make more profit. And I've no problem with the Unions supporting political parties. It makes as much sense to do that as it does for big business to do so. Everyone wants their voice to be heard.

But what the RMT is doing I think is leading to a loss of support for the Union. It doesn't bring the City to a stand still. It just causes inconvenience to everyone. Most firms require people to still get into work or you don't get paid. Or you do a job that enables you to work from home so shoulders are shrugged and people just work from home. Either way London keeps on moving. So what is the effect? People just get more and more fed up with the Unions. You don't here people complaining about the London Assembly, or the Mayor (whether the current Tory one or the previous whatever Ken was one); they complain about the Unions. Which means that the Unions aren't getting what they want which is sufficient popular support for everyone else to say "Enough is enough, give the Unions what they want".

And like Prince - I live on the Northern line. A symbol of modern London -it's grimy, packed, smelly and often a little unpleasant, but somehow it still keeps working....

[sk1974]

well i was listening to radio london yesterday (some incredible stories on the blitz on there) and a few workers who would be losing there jobs called in........in my book thats a reason to strike

London Underground have publicly stated that nobody will be made redundant who doesn't want to be. As I said in a previous post, if the RMT feel that industrial action is warranted (And only 30% of their members agree this time) then that action doesn't have to be a strike that disrupts the lives of 7m people and costs the economy millions.

What gives these people with better pay and conditions than most of their customers the right to prevent those same customers from doing their own jobs?

[Ducatiboy749]

Can I just point out for the record that although I was (obviously) against the strike 12 odd months ago, I am in full support of the strike and the reasons for said strike yesterday.

I stand by my initial statement that Bob Crow is an obnoxious cunt though and ultimately I suppose it serves us all right for working in this overcrowded and over-priced, shit hole.

Thank you.

[Docmeister]

Can I just point out for the record that although I was (obviously) against the strike 12 odd months ago, I am in full support of the strike and the reasons for said strike yesterday.

I stand by my initial statement that Bob Crow is an obnoxious cunt though and ultimately I suppose it serves us all right for working in this overcrowded and over-priced, shit hole.

Thank you.

Can you explain your reasons for supporting the strike yesterday when an agreement was in place that there would be no compulsory redundancies and the loss of jobs would be through natural wastage ie.Retiring staff or staff looking for a redundancy pakage.

Every industry has been hit by the recession so why not the underground?:confused:

BTW Bob Crowe earns £133k per year.Average Tube driver £40K+ and lowest station Assistant £25K+

[moe1971]

so the workforce have voted to go on strike despite the fact that no-one is going to lose their jobs?

I find that quite hard to belive to be honest.

[Ducatiboy749]

Can you explain your reasons for supporting the strike yesterday when an agreement was in place that there would be no compulsory redundancies and the loss of jobs would be through natural wastage ie.Retiring staff or staff looking for a redundancy pakage.

Every industry has been hit by the recession so why not the underground?:confused:

BTW Bob Crowe earns £133k per year.Average Tube driver £40K+ and lowest station Assistant £25K+

Because they should be investing in one of the worst and most expensive services known to man, not making cuts.

Not sure what your point is about Crow's earnings either.

[moe1971]

Because they should be investing in one of the worst and most expensive services known to man, not making cuts.

Not sure what your point is about Crow's earnings either.

apparently you are not allowed to go on strike if you are earning above minimum wage?

[Docmeister]

so the workforce have voted to go on strike despite the fact that no-one is going to lose their jobs?

I find that quite hard to belive to be honest.

Less than 30% of RMT union people vote in each ballott and what i have read is there it is more to do with worries re station safety than the fact that only 5% of passengers use the Ticket offices now;)

[Docmeister]

Because they should be investing in one of the worst and most expensive services known to man, not making cuts.

Not sure what your point is about Crow's earnings either.

They are forever investing in the underground with Joe Public paying over above inflation ticket prices each year.

With the recession comes cuts which the public sector are not used too compared to the Thousands of jobs lost in the Private sector;)

[Docmeister]

apparently you are not allowed to go on strike if you are earning above minimum wage?

Living in Sunny Kirkdale you must be used to the annual tube strikes that Bob does to justify his well paid job :rolleyes:

[Ducatiboy749]

They are forever investing in the underground with Joe Public paying over above inflation ticket prices each year.

To be honest mate, I'm sick to the back teeth of thinking about how they constantly make a pigs ear of it all. How can a company that gets so much revenue be in such a state and be so fucking incompetent in absolutely everything they do? Not only that but they blatantly lie to you whilst doing so.

I started this thread because 12 months ago they were striking over the sacking of two employees who abused paying customers and I stand by my initial outburst in that respect. They had no right to abuse the customers and I couldnt fathom how London ground to a standstill for two dickheads who couldnt keep their mouths shut.

I dont have a problem with people striking over job losses and/or cuts though and I'd do the same if I worked for them.

Thankfully I don't though.:)

(and i'd still like to twat BC with a large shovel if our paths ever cross)

[sk1974]

apparently you are not allowed to go on strike if you are earning above minimum wage?

Who said that then? I find it offensive that these people with far better pay and conditions than the vast majority of their passengers continually use strikes as THEIR ONLY form of industrial action regardless of the issue with management. This in turn makes it harder for those minimum wage passengers to go out and earn their peanuts.

I fully agree with the right to withdrawing labour as a last resort but with Bob Crow its the only resort and it fucks up 7 million days every time. What's wrong with working to rule or refusing overtime?

As for his drunken rant at Sammy McIlroy (while in the Dagenham Directors Box, did he pay for his seat?) that just shows what kind of man he is. Anybody else, anywhere in the ground would have been ejected. Guest of the directors gets "asked to calm down".

[Ducatiboy749]

Who said that then? I find it offensive that these people with far better pay and conditions than the vast majority of their passengers continually use strikes as THEIR ONLY form of industrial action regardless of the issue with management. This in turn makes it harder for those minimum wage passengers to go out and earn their peanuts.

I fully agree with the right to withdrawing labour as a last resort but with Bob Crow its the only resort and it fucks up 7 million days every time. What's wrong with working to rule or refusing overtime?

As for his drunken rant at Sammy McIlroy (while in the Dagenham Directors Box, did he pay for his seat?) that just shows what kind of man he is. Anybody else, anywhere in the ground would have been ejected. Guest of the directors gets "asked to calm down".

I'm not sure thats strictly true.:confused:

[Femmefootyfan]

Who said that then? I find it offensive that these people with far better pay and conditions than the vast majority of their passengers continually use strikes as THEIR ONLY form of industrial action regardless of the issue with management. This in turn makes it harder for those minimum wage passengers to go out and earn their peanuts.

I fully agree with the right to withdrawing labour as a last resort but with Bob Crow its the only resort and it fucks up 7 million days every time. What's wrong with working to rule or refusing overtime?

As for his drunken rant at Sammy McIlroy (while in the Dagenham Directors Box, did he pay for his seat?) that just shows what kind of man he is. Anybody else, anywhere in the ground would have been ejected. Guest of the directors gets "asked to calm down".


What I find offensive is the fact that if it wasn't happening in our sunny capital none of you would probably give a damn. Take the city I grew up in as an example.... Hull.....would you be arsed if all the same circumstances applied to that city, I doubt it!! Its a nimby attitude and its wrong.

London is used to getting the cream of everything yet as soon as a situation arises that affects those that live or work there your all up in arms.

[muse100]

How much money these guys earn have nothing to do with it. The issue is one of safety and service. Maybe they could have worked to rule or banned overtime but it simply would not have had the same effect.

Every fucking boss in this country is using cuts/downturn/recession as an excuse to cut staff. What actually happens is that the staff remaining simply have more work to do. Then they get shit on because they can't keep up and end up being sacked for poor performance. That gets rid of people without paying them a penny.

These bosses aren't stupid. There's plenty of unemployed kids out there prepared to work for very little just to have a job. Shift your older and better paid workers out and bring in kids or shift back end processing to India and the far east.

They're all shits in the end and it's us who bear the brunt of it not the people who run the show (union bosses included)

I really am concerned that there will be a massive backlash against the state at some point. Poll tax riot anyone?

[Ducatiboy749]

What I find offensive is the fact that if it wasn't happening in our sunny capital none of you would probably give a damn. Take the city I grew up in as an example.... Hull.....would you be arsed if all the same circumstances applied to that city, I doubt it!! Its a nimby attitude and its wrong.

London is used to getting the cream of everything yet as soon as a situation arises that affects those that live or work there your all up in arms.

i thought Hull was a made up place? :confused:

[Docmeister]

To be honest mate, I'm sick to the back teeth of thinking about how they constantly make a pigs ear of it all. How can a company that gets so much revenue be in such a state and be so fucking incompetent in absolutely everything they do? Not only that but they blatantly lie to you whilst doing so.

I started this thread because 12 months ago they were striking over the sacking of two employees who abused paying customers and I stand by my initial outburst in that respect. They had no right to abuse the customers and I couldnt fathom how London ground to a standstill for two dickheads who couldnt keep their mouths shut.

I dont have a problem with people striking over job losses and/or cuts though and I'd do the same if I worked for them.

Thankfully I don't though.:)

(and i'd still like to twat BC with a large shovel if our paths ever cross)

I agree with you on that and i had the chance a while ago when i spotted him at Liverpool Street Station coming off the Essex British Rail heading to the London Underground:(

[Ducatiboy749]

i thought Hull was a made up place? :confused:

That was a joke obviously FFF, but do you honestly think it's comparable? There were probably more people struggling to get into work yesterday than have lived in Hull over the last 100 years. Do you expect it not to be mentioned? Oh it's ok, London's got the Millenium Wheel so they'll just have to put up with being fleeced and shat upon daily by its transport system?

I'm not a Londoner and I understand where you're coming from with regards London "getting the cream of everything" but there's obvious reasons for that. Not sure you can blame it on the people that live there though.

[moe1971]

Living in Sunny Kirkdale you must be used to the annual tube strikes that Bob does to justify his well paid job :rolleyes:

Indeed.

Its the bane of my life.

[Docmeister]

What I find offensive is the fact that if it wasn't happening in our sunny capital none of you would probably give a damn. Take the city I grew up in as an example.... Hull.....would you be arsed if all the same circumstances applied to that city, I doubt it!! Its a nimby attitude and its wrong.

London is used to getting the cream of everything yet as soon as a situation arises that affects those that live or work there your all up in arms.

Does Hull have an underground system?

If so make a thread about it;)

Us people working in London are fed up to the teeth of Bob Crowe throwing strikes when possible especially as jobs galore are being lost around the country.

Most people who work in London dont live in London so please explain how they get the cream of everything?:confused:

We have to work in London to pay off mortgages etc whilst others dont worry as they either live in cheaper areas or Council houses;)

[moe1971]

Who said that then? I find it offensive that these people with far better pay and conditions than the vast majority of their passengers continually use strikes as THEIR ONLY form of industrial action regardless of the issue with management. This in turn makes it harder for those minimum wage passengers to go out and earn their peanuts.

I fully agree with the right to withdrawing labour as a last resort but with Bob Crow its the only resort and it fucks up 7 million days every time. What's wrong with working to rule or refusing overtime?

As for his drunken rant at Sammy McIlroy (while in the Dagenham Directors Box, did he pay for his seat?) that just shows what kind of man he is. Anybody else, anywhere in the ground would have been ejected. Guest of the directors gets "asked to calm down".


surely the union members have some sort of say?

Im in a union and strike is always the last resport.Why the fuck would workers happily lose x amount of days pay just because they were told too by Mr Crow?

Im guessing they know more about the situation than us.

[moe1971]

plassy cockernees are whingers.


fact.

[Docmeister]

surely the union members have some sort of say?

Im in a union and strike is always the last resport.Why the fuck would workers happily lose x amount of days pay just because they were told too by Mr Crow?

Im guessing they know more about the situation than us.

For Bob Crowe striking is the first resort;)

[Docmeister]

plassy cockernees are whingers.


fact.

Just to educate you people from alot of England travel to london on a daily basis for work.

Alot of the Locals are on the social:D

[Femmefootyfan]

Does Hull have an underground system?

If so make a thread about it;)

Us people working in London are fed up to the teeth of Bob Crowe throwing strikes when possible especially as jobs galore are being lost around the country.

Most people who work in London dont live in London so please explain how they get the cream of everything?:confused:

We have to work in London to pay off mortgages etc whilst others dont worry as they either live in cheaper areas or Council houses;)

Now we are getting somewhere?? Funny that you support a club with the values of LFC whilst holding the above values about the "rest of us" smiley or no smiley!!

[rixf666]

im a londoner and this shit affects me when it happens. therefore my opinion is that they are all cunts.

my local station has a ticket office that only likes to open after rush hour for a couple of hours just in case you get the odd woman with kid going shopping and cannot use the machine. at all other times the staff member on duty likes to stand around not doing very much, although the station has recently had a load of hanging baskets put up all over the place, which is nice, it gives the staff something to do by tending the plants and not fucking bothering with the customers.

and when i have pointed out to said member of staff that some hoodie has just barged through the barriers without paying, he said "it's not my job to get stabbed trying to stop him"

and dont get me started on bank station, one fucking barrier open out of about 30 at rush hour, and all escalators turned off, to stop overcrowding at the lower levers apparently, you get down to the platform and have 3 guards standing at the entrance yelling at people to move along the platform.

[moe1971]

im a londoner and this shit affects me when it happens. therefore my opinion is that they are all cunts.
my local station has a ticket office that only likes to open after rush hour for a couple of hours just in case you get the odd woman with kid going shopping and cannot use the machine. at all other times the staff member on duty likes to stand around not doing very much, although the station has recently had a load of hanging baskets put up all over the place, which is nice, it gives the staff something to do by tending the plants and not fucking bothering with the customers.

and when i have pointed out to said member of staff that some hoodie has just barged through the barriers without paying, he said "it's not my job to get stabbed trying to stop him"

and dont get me started on bank station, one fucking barrier open out of about 30 at rush hour, and all escalators turned off, to stop overcrowding at the lower levers apparently, you get down to the platform and have 3 guards standing at the entrance yelling at people to move along the platform.

im sure providing customer service to the likes of you must be a fucking pleasure.

[RedNoodle]

Its all about the balance of Power.

Some have far too much, despite having relatively good pay/conditions and they have the ability to cause mass disruption at a whim, whilst many others do not have such good pay/conditions and have very little power/influence despite needing it much more than the former minority.

People would have more sympathy if they did not bring the whole of London to a standstill for any old grievance and the discrepency in the amount of power they have compared to others who need it more, was lessened.

All this and then we will get the customary "fare increase", for a system that never seems to be getting any better (despite what they claim in regards to the increase) and thats when it happens to actually be running.

[rixf666]

im sure providing customer service to the likes of you must be a fucking pleasure.

if they provided me with a decent service i would be grateful for it, dont judge me if you dont know me bob.

[Docmeister]

[/B]

Now we are getting somewhere?? Funny that you support a club with the values of LFC whilst holding the above values about the "rest of us" smiley or no smiley!!


Look my parents came from Ireland with nothing, lived in Liverpool and came south to make a living.They gave me the work ethic,taught me not to have kids unless i can afford them,go on the dole as a last resort etc.How does that differ to LFC values?

[Docmeister]

im a londoner and this shit affects me when it happens. therefore my opinion is that they are all cunts.

my local station has a ticket office that only likes to open after rush hour for a couple of hours just in case you get the odd woman with kid going shopping and cannot use the machine. at all other times the staff member on duty likes to stand around not doing very much, although the station has recently had a load of hanging baskets put up all over the place, which is nice, it gives the staff something to do by tending the plants and not fucking bothering with the customers.

and when i have pointed out to said member of staff that some hoodie has just barged through the barriers without paying, he said "it's not my job to get stabbed trying to stop him"

and dont get me started on bank station, one fucking barrier open out of about 30 at rush hour, and all escalators turned off, to stop overcrowding at the lower levers apparently, you get down to the platform and have 3 guards standing at the entrance yelling at people to move along the platform.


Agreed most station staff have a cushy number and on the Central Line and Victoria Line the trains are automatic needing no driver but the unions insisted on them having a driver:mad:

[simon pieman]

[/B]

Now we are getting somewhere?? Funny that you support a club with the values of LFC whilst holding the above values about the "rest of us" smiley or no smiley!!

Cant he support Liverpool then because his views dont fit in with the majority???

[Docmeister]

Cant he support Liverpool then because his views dont fit in with the majority???

What is the majority views then?:confused:

[Femmefootyfan]

Look my parents came from Ireland with nothing, lived in Liverpool and came south to make a living.They gave me the work ethic,taught me not to have kids unless i can afford them,go on the dole as a last resort etc.How does that differ to LFC values?

Ermmm maybe by being not quite so sneery to those that haven't acheived that yet!!

This was your quote Doc......
We have to work in London to pay off mortgages etc whilst others dont worry as they either live in cheaper areas or Council houses.

Working people who live in council houses pay rent, so whats your point??

[sk1974]

What I find offensive is the fact that if it wasn't happening in our sunny capital none of you would probably give a damn. Take the city I grew up in as an example.... Hull.....would you be arsed if all the same circumstances applied to that city, I doubt it!! Its a nimby attitude and its wrong.

London is used to getting the cream of everything yet as soon as a situation arises that affects those that live or work there your all up in arms.

Nobody forced you to read the thread, get annoyed by it and comment on it. My day was fucked up yesterday for what appears to me to be no good reason. I therefore reserve the right to call the man responsible a cunt.

Bob, you're a cunt.

[Femmefootyfan]

Nobody forced you to read the thread, get annoyed by it and comment on it. My day was fucked up yesterday for what appears to me to be no good reason. I therefore reserve the right to call the man responsible a cunt.
Bob, you're a cunt.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh Diddums!

[sk1974]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh Diddums!

And there we see the level of your maturity.

Now back to the grown ups. If one of you can convince me that my day (and a large number of other people's) was screwed up yesterday for a valid reason I will happily say I was wrong. Until then my view is unchanged.

This latest dispute is apparently about safety and security. No station is going to be unmanned after 800 jobs have been shed so what are these 800 people going to do to look after me? If I get mugged the station staff will call the police. What will change there? Are these 800 staff all 6'4" doormen who can protect me?

[Ducatiboy749]

not everyone who's employed by the tube works at a station, how have you decided that those 800 jobs are worth losing?

[vin]

What I find offensive is the fact that if it wasn't happening in our sunny capital none of you would probably give a damn. Take the city I grew up in as an example.... Hull.....would you be arsed if all the same circumstances applied to that city, I doubt it!! Its a nimby attitude and its wrong.

London is used to getting the cream of everything yet as soon as a situation arises that affects those that live or work there your all up in arms.

What an odd viewpoint. Not sure how you reached the conclusion of London getting the cream. You ever been to London? And I don't mean Piccadilly Circus/Tourist spots.

[Femmefootyfan]

What an odd viewpoint. Not sure how you reached the conclusion of London getting the cream. You ever been to London? And I don't mean Piccadilly Circus/Tourist spots.

Yeah I have my brother lived in Maidstone for lots of years and he had a few mates from Bermondsey and ilk, yeah I know London has its fair share of inner city deprivation Vin I am not that naive, however any grand sporting event, any regeneration on a grand scale, all of your top arena's (even though the o2 is atmospherically shit) all have mega bucks spent on them compared to the rest of England. you must know that???

[tobermory]

not everyone who's employed by the tube works at a station, how have you decided that those 800 jobs are worth losing?

Agree with that. As the decision of "management" is affecting us either directly or indirectly, "management" should be expected to actually make the case for why the cuts are needed. At the same the RMT should be expected to make a proper case as to why they feel the need to strike. Simply uttering "health and safety" doesn't really cut it.

[sk1974]

Agree with that. As the decision of "management" is affecting us either directly or indirectly, "management" should be expected to actually make the case for why the cuts are needed. At the same the RMT should be expected to make a proper case as to why they feel the need to strike. Simply uttering "health and safety" doesn't really cut it.

Management have made a case. The success of Oyster cards and automated ticket machines means ticket office staff are now practically redundant. Bob Crow last week said losing these ticket office staff was "playing fast and loose with staff and passenger safety".

How is some little old lady selling tickets going to make me safer on the station?

[Docmeister]

Ermmm maybe by being not quite so sneery to those that haven't acheived that yet!!

This was your quote Doc......
We have to work in London to pay off mortgages etc whilst others dont worry as they either live in cheaper areas or Council houses.

Working people who live in council houses pay rent, so whats your point??

if i ever qualified for a council house which is unlikely i could work local and not have to travel to London to pay for my mortgage:(

Rent money for a council house is alot cheaper than a mortgage and to be honest the incentive to work is alot less in council housing ie Rent and council tax paid for.With a mortgage unfortunately you have to work!

[Docmeister]

not everyone who's employed by the tube works at a station, how have you decided that those 800 jobs are worth losing?


The Union found out today they have already lost 250 of the 800 staff already re natural wastage and jobs not replaced.No one noticed the difference;)

[Docmeister]

Yeah I have my brother lived in Maidstone for lots of years and he had a few mates from Bermondsey and ilk, yeah I know London has its fair share of inner city deprivation Vin I am not that naive, however any grand sporting event, any regeneration on a grand scale, all of your top arena's (even though the o2 is atmospherically shit) all have mega bucks spent on them compared to the rest of England. you must know that???

Alot of money was spent on regeneration in Liverpool and Glasgow being City of Culture bollox:)

[vin]

Yeah I have my brother lived in Maidstone for lots of years and he had a few mates from Bermondsey and ilk, yeah I know London has its fair share of inner city deprivation Vin I am not that naive, however any grand sporting event, any regeneration on a grand scale, all of your top arena's (even though the o2 is atmospherically shit) all have mega bucks spent on them compared to the rest of England. you must know that???

Wasn't suggesting that you were naive. It was just the way you said that Londoners "get up in arms..."

The story has a wider implication then disruption caused to "Londoners"

As for the arenas. Maybe. I can't say for sure if what your saying is correct. I thought the 02 had a great atmosphere. Maybe you should got to see better concerts!! ;) Also did you know that the 02 is owned by Trinity College Cambridge? (not relevant)

Also, I wasn't just referring to inner city problems. All big cities around the world have "inner city" problems.

[big dutch]

London Underground have publicly stated that nobody will be made redundant who doesn't want to be. As I said in a previous post, if the RMT feel that industrial action is warranted (And only 30% of their members agree this time) then that action doesn't have to be a strike that disrupts the lives of 7m people and costs the economy millions.

What gives these people with better pay and conditions than most of their customers the right to prevent those same customers from doing their own jobs?

why is it that people who serve the public are not allowed to strike...............because it will disrupt peoples lives !!!

and they did not prevent thier customers doing their job..............there are other ways of getting to work...........and maybe these said customers may start respecting the workers on the tube if its so important to them..............WILL THEY FUCK

written like a true tory

[moe1971]

if they provided me with a decent service i would be grateful for it, dont judge me if you dont know me bob.


why dont you send you Rant into the Daily Mail.

Bit of editing and it will be letter of the week.

[moe1971]

Agreed most station staff have a cushy number and on the Central Line and Victoria Line the trains are automatic needing no driver but the unions insisted on them having a driver:mad:

them fucking unions again???

abolish them I say.

:mad:

[ARMCHAIR EXPERT]

Well suprise suprise it has been announced that the north will be hit hardest by the economic cuts....Which for me begs the question why the fuck are we talking about a tube strike in London with people who obviously have a tory mentality on a Liverpool forum???

[moe1971]

Well suprise suprise it has been announced that the north will be hit hardest by the economic cuts....Which for me begs the question why the fuck are we talking about a tube strike in London with people who obviously have a tory mentality on a Liverpool forum???

I blame the unions.


and them lazy cunts you stand round doing fuck all-all day long.

[Femmefootyfan]

Well suprise suprise it has been announced that the north will be hit hardest by the economic cuts....Which for me begs the question why the fuck are we talking about a tube strike in London with people who obviously have a tory mentality on a Liverpool forum???

Exactly Armchair, It just seems that those who work in London only give a toss for those who work in London which is why I posted earlier that the Nimby attitude really grinds my gears.

I wonder if Doc and sk1974 are going to shed any tears for the hard hit North???

[Docmeister]

Exactly Armchair, It just seems that those who work in London only give a toss for those who work in London which is why I posted earlier that the Nimby attitude really grinds my gears.

I wonder if Doc and sk1974 are going to shed any tears for the hard hit North???

Maybe because the thread is about Bob Crowe and the London Undeground not the loss of jobs in the North:rolleyes:

Believe me it aint all sunshine in the south where house prices/Cost of living are alot more than the North.

I work because i have to not out of choice.Having worked 21 years i would happily retire at 40 if i could:*(

[Femmefootyfan]

Maybe because the thread is about Bob Crowe and the London Undeground not the loss of jobs in the North:rolleyes:

Believe me it aint all sunshine in the south where house prices/Cost of living are alot more than the North.

I work because i have to not out of choice.Having worked 21 years i would happily retire at 40 if i could:*(

Yeah and you all get a wage to take into account your higher cost of living.

[Docmeister]

Yeah and you all get a wage to take into account your higher cost of living.

I was brought up in West London, having been born in Liverpool and i work in Corporate Banking in London.I cannot afford a house in London so i had to buy a house in Northampton 63 miles away.So much for higher wages=higher cost of living:rolleyes:

First time buyers in London are non existant,Renting is high and you have no chance getting a Council place.Easy life not!;)

[simon pieman]

Maybe because London is the capital and alot of what goes on there affects the rest of the country..
So people not been able to get to work has a knock on affect to other parts of the nation.
Only maybe though.:rolleyes:

[moe1971]

Maybe because London is the capital and alot of what goes on there affects the rest of the country..
So people not been able to get to work has a knock on affect to other parts of the nation.
Only maybe though.:rolleyes:

it really doesnt.

[simon pieman]

it really doesnt.

Really , i beg to differ..

[moe1971]

Really , i beg to differ..

examples?

[simon pieman]

examples?

My job is affect directly if london is disrupted as we found out in the winter with the snow. This is a major smarket that opperates from london and the staff where late in so no orders where given and then everyone is playing catch up.

[moe1971]

My job is affect directly if london is disrupted as we found out in the winter with the snow. This is a major smarket that opperates from london and the staff where late in so no orders where given and then everyone is playing catch up.


My job isnt affected by london in the slightest.Im guessing this could apply to an awful lot of people who dont live in the capital.

The tube strike,for example,affects many who live down there,yet has fuck all resonance to the rest of us.

[rixf666]

The tube strike,for example,affects many who live down there,yet has fuck all resonance to the rest of us.

so on a thread specifically about a tube strike that doesn't affect you at all, why keep sticking your stupid oar in with the snidey comments?

[moe1971]

so on a thread specifically about a tube strike that doesn't affect you at all, why keep sticking your stupid oar in with the snidey comments?

because I feel like.

are all cockernees as pleasant and good natured as yourself?

[rixf666]

you wouldn't believe how good natured i am in person when talking with decent people, unfortunately you don't seem to fall into that bracket.

[moe1971]

you wouldn't believe how good natured i am in person when talking with decent people, unfortunately you don't seem to fall into that bracket.

you mean when you are not describing normal working people as "cunts,".

Yep you must be a little ray of sunshine.

[Docmeister]

My job isnt affected by london in the slightest.Im guessing this could apply to an awful lot of people who dont live in the capital.

The tube strike,for example,affects many who live down there,yet has fuck all resonance to the rest of us.

Just to educate you further:cool: most workers in London commute into London meaning British Rail to the mainland stations eg.Kings Cross,Euston,Liverpool Street,Victoria,Paddington etc but to get across London where their job might be you need to get the Tube or wait for the bus.Guess which ones quicker?;)

[simon pieman]

My job isnt affected by london in the slightest.Im guessing this could apply to an awful lot of people who dont live in the capital.

The tube strike,for example,affects many who live down there,yet has fuck all resonance to the rest of us.

Thats your opinion all I know is that disruption in London effects my and my work. We will agree to differ on that, but it would be interesting to know if most of the strikers actually know what they are striking about..

[rixf666]

they were not normal working people or i wouldn't have the trouble i did trying to get to work, hence calling them cunts. normal working people actually go to work.

anyway, enough of this idle chit chat, i don't like the cut of your jib so have added you to my ignore list... problem solved.

man i can't wait for a bit of football again so we can stop all this useless talk, fucking internationals..... FA cunts!

[moe1971]

Just to educate you further:cool: most workers in London commute into London meaning British Rail to the mainland stations eg.Kings Cross,Euston,Liverpool Street,Victoria,Paddington etc but to get across London where their job might be you need to get the Tube or wait for the bus.Guess which ones quicker?;)

errm.


I dont care.



which is a further hole in simon's argument afraid.

though incidentally if the tube isnt running smoothly would this not be the responsibility of the management as opposed to the Unions/working ie "Cunts"?

[moe1971]

Thats your opinion all I know is that disruption in London effects my and my work. We will agree to differ on that, but it would be interesting to know if most of the strikers actually know what they are striking about..


you think people are willingly prepared to lose x amount of days work and they dont know/care what they are strking about?

[moe1971]

they were not normal working people or i wouldn't have the trouble i did trying to get to work, hence calling them cunts. normal working people actually go to work.
anyway, enough of this idle chit chat, i don't like the cut of your jib so have added you to my ignore list... problem solved.

man i can't wait for a bit of football again so we can stop all this useless talk, fucking internationals..... FA cunts!


Yeah that makes sense.

ignored?Moi?

Im hurt.

[RED CORNER]

they were not normal working people or i wouldn't have the trouble i did trying to get to work, hence calling them cunts. normal working people actually go to work.

anyway, enough of this idle chit chat, i don't like the cut of your jib so have added you to my ignore list... problem solved.

man i can't wait for a bit of football again so we can stop all this useless talk, fucking internationals..... FA cunts!



Not normal working people? By 'normal working people actually go to work' do you mean the sort who are happy to get shafted and shat on by management or those who will stand up for something and not allow themselves or the public, ie YOU to be shafted and shat on?
Oh, and you've put moe on your ignore list? Well that makes you look a right pathetic cunt if you don't mind me saying and someone who's losing the argument.

[moe1971]

Not normal working people? By 'normal working people actually go to work' do you mean the sort who are happy to get shafted and shat on by management or those who will stand up for something and not allow themselves or the public, ie YOU to be shafted and shat on?
Oh, and you've put moe on your ignore list? Well that makes you look a right pathetic cunt if you don't mind me saying and someone who's losing the argument.


therefore my opinion is that they are all cunts

Id love to hear his description of a "normal working person".

sadly he appears to be a shitehouse aswell as a scab.

[simon pieman]

you think people are willingly prepared to lose x amount of days work and they dont know/care what they are strking about?

yep

[moe1971]

yep


what is your opinion of Unions?

[simon pieman]

what is your opinion of Unions?

My opinion is that they do a good job , protecting workers rights and other issues but they will always have the 1970's stigma attached to them when they tried to bring the country to its knees.
The problem with unions and strikes is that you will always get some backstabbers that go to work and therefore the management will always come out as the winners.

[rixf666]

Not normal working people? By 'normal working people actually go to work' do you mean the sort who are happy to get shafted and shat on by management or those who will stand up for something and not allow themselves or the public, ie YOU to be shafted and shat on?
Oh, and you've put moe on your ignore list? Well that makes you look a right pathetic cunt if you don't mind me saying and someone who's losing the argument.

good for them for standing up for what they believe in, but they could do it in a way that doesn't affect the geneal public as has been mentioned, striking should be the last port of call rather than, "let's do another fucking pointless strike, that'll fuck em" kind of attitude. it's not my fault they are getting so called shafted by their bosses.

if i didnt like the way my boss treated me i would hardly take it out on the people i am providing a service to, that would just be childish.

as for moe, he's been irritating me on a number of threads lately and it is my choice to ignore him from now on so as i dont keep taking his bait and getting irritated. this is a football forum i like to come on here to discuss football not be insulted by some no mark who has nothing better to do.

yeah im a right pathetic cunt me, and you sticking your oar in calling me a cunt doesnt make you look like one too? well played mate ;)

[moe1971]

good for them for standing up for what they believe in, but they could do it in a way that doesn't affect the geneal public as has been mentioned, striking should be the last port of call rather than, "let's do another fucking pointless strike, that'll fuck em" kind of attitude. it's not my fault they are getting so called shafted by their bosses.

if i didnt like the way my boss treated me i would hardly take it out on the people i am providing a service to, that would just be childish.

as for moe, he's been irritating me on a number of threads lately and it is my choice to ignore him from now on so as i dont keep taking his bait and getting irritated. this is a football forum i like to come on here to discuss football not be insulted by some no mark who has nothing better to do.

yeah im a right pathetic cunt me, and you sticking your oar in calling me a cunt doesnt make you look like one too? well played mate ;)


ie me.

[moe1971]

My opinion is that they do a good job , protecting workers rights and other issues but they will always have the 1970's stigma attached to them when they tried to bring the country to its knees.
The problem with unions and strikes is that you will always get some backstabbers that go to work and therefore the management will always come out as the winners.


you sure about this?

[simon pieman]

you sure about this?

Matter of opinion mate , just form an opinion on what i have read and also what was happening at the time.
Not saying unions are a bad thing but there is a fine line between a good one and one that is ultimately seeking to effect the way companies are run.

[big dutch]

good for them for standing up for what they believe in, but they could do it in a way that doesn't affect the geneal public as has been mentioned, striking should be the last port of call rather than, "let's do another fucking pointless strike, that'll fuck em" kind of attitude. it's not my fault they are getting so called shafted by their bosses.

if i didnt like the way my boss treated me i would hardly take it out on the people i am providing a service to, that would just be childish.

as for moe, he's been irritating me on a number of threads lately and it is my choice to ignore him from now on so as i dont keep taking his bait and getting irritated. this is a football forum i like to come on here to discuss football not be insulted by some no mark who has nothing better to do.

yeah im a right pathetic cunt me, and you sticking your oar in calling me a cunt doesnt make you look like one too? well played mate ;)

with respect, as a public service provider, how can they get themselves heard but not disrupting the general public

i can imagine xmas day in the sacked tube workers house
sorry little one, you have no presents as we could not afford them because i am now out of work..........................but at least we did not disrupt the public when i lost my job.
what public is that daddy.
them next door with the massive turkey !!!!

[rixf666]

with the state the economy is in right now, nearly every single company out there is cutting costs and reducing numbers. what makes these guys any different?

my company has laid off about 400 people in the last year, my team went from 5 people to 2 people, so should i strike too? the boss would just say fuck off then i will just get a pole in to do your job for half the money.

[Femmefootyfan]

with the state the economy is in right now, nearly every single company out there is cutting costs and reducing numbers. what makes these guys any different?

my company has laid off about 400 people in the last year, my team went from 5 people to 2 people, so should i strike too? the boss would just say fuck off then i will just get a pole in to do your job for half the money.

The fact that everybodies at it as you put it doesn't make it right does it. Should everybody just sit back then and let huge job cuts happen just because its happening to everybody????

[rixf666]

well it could be like a carnival in the streets if every company had workers outside on strike, i dont see anyone else doing it.

[tobermory]

[QUOTE=big dutch;1464096]with respect, as a public service provider, how can they get themselves heard but not disrupting the general public

QUOTE]

It's an interesting question that though, Duc. I am told that in France, when the Unions want to make a point, as their workers operate the ticket barriers and the like, they simply open them and let the public go on the trains for free. Engenders no amount of public goodwill does that. And certainly it doesn't affect revenue in terms of season ticket holders, but it does have an impact.

I guess the other funny point is that in some ways the tube strike does have no impact on the rest of the country because people still got to work. In that respect its impact is muted. But if people couldn't get to work then it would have an impact on the country as a whole - hence the anger felt by people the country over with the bankers and what they have done that has effected the country.

It isn't a surprise that someone in Hull or Liverpool or Birmingham has little sympathy for the individual struggling to get to work in London. Similarly it is of little surprise that many in London who are inconvenienced by the RMT have little time for the RMT. Problem is that things are a lot more interconnected than everyone seems to give them credit for, but that type of argument tends to fall flat on the internet!

[RED CORNER]

good for them for standing up for what they believe in, but they could do it in a way that doesn't affect the geneal public as has been mentioned, striking should be the last port of call rather than, "let's do another fucking pointless strike, that'll fuck em" kind of attitude. it's not my fault they are getting so called shafted by their bosses.

if i didnt like the way my boss treated me i would hardly take it out on the people i am providing a service to, that would just be childish.

as for moe, he's been irritating me on a number of threads lately and it is my choice to ignore him from now on so as i dont keep taking his bait and getting irritated. this is a football forum i like to come on here to discuss football not be insulted by some no mark who has nothing better to do.

yeah im a right pathetic cunt me, and you sticking your oar in calling me a cunt doesnt make you look like one too? well played mate ;)

Sticking my oar in? It's a forum for discussion and I've responded to you because you're ill informed and pig ignorant. "Good for them"? Patronising as well. If it wasn't for Unions there would be no Labour party or movement protecting the rights and conditions of the workers that had been badly exploited by bosses for more than 150 years. Even now the exploitation continues but, thanks to Unions, there's a degree of protection. As for me looking a cunt for "sticking my oar in"? I'd rather look like that than someone who's thrown his toys out of the pram because someone has shown him up to be a blert.

[SteelWool]

Sticking my oar in? It's a forum for discussion and I've responded to you because you're ill informed and pig ignorant. "Good for them"? Patronising as well. If it wasn't for Unions there would be no Labour party or movement protecting the rights and conditions of the workers that had been badly exploited by bosses for more than 150 years. Even now the exploitation continues but, thanks to Unions, there's a degree of protection. As for me looking a cunt for "sticking my oar in"? I'd rather look like that than someone who's thrown his toys out of the pram because someone has shown him up to be a blert.

"Ill informed and pig ignorant"?

From you.

Brilliant.

[sk1974]

I am told that in France, when the Unions want to make a point, as their workers operate the ticket barriers and the like, they simply open them and let the public go on the trains for free. Engenders no amount of public goodwill does that. And certainly it doesn't affect revenue in terms of season ticket holders, but it does have an impact.

Would cost London Underground significant revenue, wouldn't screw up the city, wouldn't generate hostility from the public to the Union's cause and wouldn't cost the workers a days pay.

As a previous post said though, the RMT as well as TSSA, ASLEF and other related Unions need to improve their PR as well. I may actually have some sympathy for their cause if Bob Crow wasn't now like the little boy who cried wolf and we actually had evidence to back up his claims each time.

[RED CORNER]

"Ill informed and pig ignorant"?

From you.

Brilliant.



Your 1st post on this thread and it's a provocative one?

From you?

Normal.


If my previous Union background makes me ill informed and pig ignorant, then fill your boots. But it doesn't, so shut the fuck up.

[Mozzaretti]

My job is affect directly if london is disrupted as we found out in the winter with the snow. This is a major smarket that opperates from london and the staff where late in so no orders where given and then everyone is playing catch up.

Piss poor contingency. Managers should walk.

[SteelWool]

Your 1st post on this thread and it's a provocative one?

From you?

Normal.


If my previous Union background makes me ill informed and pig ignorant, then fill your boots. But it doesn't, so shut the fuck up.

Well that's me told.

[simon pieman]

Piss poor contingency. Managers should walk.

thats the whole point, they had to the capital was grid locked..:rolleyes:

[Mozzaretti]

[/B]

thats the whole point, they had to the capital was grid locked..:rolleyes:

Ruined any other punchlines lately...

[Ducatiboy749]

i've had Moe on ignore for months now the bad scruff:mad:

[moe1971]

with the state the economy is in right now, nearly every single company out there is cutting costs and reducing numbers. what makes these guys any different?

my company has laid off about 400 people in the last year, my team went from 5 people to 2 people, so should i strike too? the boss would just say fuck off then i will just get a pole in to do your job for half the money.

we have lost jobs ergo everyone else should.

Thatcherism is alive and well.

prick.

[moe1971]

i've had Moe on ignore for months now the bad scruff:mad:


Lies.

[rixf666]

we have lost jobs ergo everyone else should.

Thatcherism is alive and well.

prick.

that's not really anything like what i said though is it.

tosser

[The Prince]

The unions brought the country to its knees. That’ll be my Dad then, cheers. Nothing to do with being shafted by management on a monthly basis.

These people are ‘cunts’ because it affected the general public.

What are they supposed to do if all else fails? Smile nicely? They have to put their message across in a way that will get maximum publicity. Sadly the press and phone-in tools will always blame the strikers and not the issue that got them there in the first place. Fuck the issues, I had to queue for a bus.

I’m not having a go at anyone specifically here but this highlights my general feeling about this forum and my disappointment in Liverpool fans. The 70’s and 80’s saw the biggest struggle between the working man and management as privatisation, new working practices etc and exploitation came into play. Thatcher saw the unions off and gave birth to the generation of the current Liverpool fan. I remember the Coal Not Dole collections outside the Kop in 1984 and everyone was throwing in. Would that happen today? I seriously doubt it. It’s all self self self these days and as long as they’ve got there’s every issue can get fucked. My Liverpool, the Kop will always rule? Will it fuck. We’re not a band anymore, we’re not a Liverpool union anymore, we are not legion. We’re isolated people with no interest in the people standing around us. I’m as guilty as anyone as I’ve no interest in the light right wing, racist flirtations and idiocy I’ve read on here over the past twelve months and if the purveyors of such wank are matchgoers I’m not going to shift an inch.

Brought the country to its knees? A Liverpool forum. Fuck me.

People talk about the owners destroying the club but the homogenous group of like-minded fans that made us different has gone now. Tossers on one side, hard edged ‘I’m more Scouser than you’ on the other.’ That’s not Liverpool but we haven’t been Liverpool for years. The lads on the pitch will do for me. I have no choice and I mourn the loss of the things that made us different.

[Ducatiboy749]

The unions brought the country to its knees. That’ll be my Dad then, cheers. Nothing to do with being shafted by management on a monthly basis.

These people are ‘cunts’ because it affected the general public.

What are they supposed to do if all else fails? Smile nicely? They have to put their message across in a way that will get maximum publicity. Sadly the press and phone-in tools will always blame the strikers and not the issue that got them there in the first place. Fuck the issues, I had to queue for a bus.

I’m not having a go at anyone specifically here but this highlights my general feeling about this forum and my disappointment in Liverpool fans. The 70’s and 80’s saw the biggest struggle between the working man and management as privatisation, new working practices etc and exploitation came into play. Thatcher saw the unions off and gave birth to the generation of the current Liverpool fan. I remember the Coal Not Dole collections outside the Kop in 1984 and everyone was throwing in. Would that happen today? I seriously doubt it. It’s all self self self these days and as long as they’ve got there’s every issue can get fucked. My Liverpool, the Kop will always rule? Will it fuck. We’re not a band anymore, we’re not a Liverpool union anymore, we are not legion. We’re isolated people with no interest in the people standing around us. I’m as guilty as anyone as I’ve no interest in the light right wing, racist flirtations and idiocy I’ve read on here over the past twelve months and if the purveyors of such wank are matchgoers I’m not going to shift an inch.

Brought the country to its knees? A Liverpool forum. Fuck me.

People talk about the owners destroying the club but the homogenous group of like-minded fans that made us different has gone now. Tossers on one side, hard edged ‘I’m more Scouser than you’ on the other.’ That’s not Liverpool but we haven’t been Liverpool for years. The lads on the pitch will do for me. I have no choice and I mourn the loss of the things that made us different.

You've only gotto take a look at the various SOS threads on here to see that it wouldn't.

Oohh that nasty man shouted at me cos i wouldnt put in.

[moe1971]

that's not really anything like what i said though is it.

tosser

nearly every single company out there is cutting costs and reducing numbers. what makes these guys any different?


Rather than fighting for pople jobs and asking why a country which can pay footballers £100,000's a week,is throwing people on the scrapheap,your agument is that more people,sorry "cunts", should be sacked.

[simon pieman]

In my defence i didnt state the unions bought the country to its knees the missing word is tried and it was also meant to show that they will always have that stigma attached to them in a country that has prodominately a right wing press.
Also the fact that LFC is been touted as a socialist club my have rung true in the 60's and early 70's but these days i dont think so. Still it would be nice to think so and we may one day go back there but i very much doubt it.

[The Prince]

How is 'trying' to defend their members' interests bringing the country to its knees?

[simon pieman]

How is 'trying' to defend their members' interests bringing the country to its knees?

Ask the press that state it everytime we get one of the unions going on strike and how many times are they going to come out with phrases like "winter of discontent". It amazes me nothing today could ever be like it was in the 70's as the unions have had their power curtailed. Whether this is a good thing only time will tell but in my opinion Blair tried to get closer to that very fine line which helps both Employers and Employees , i dont expect Cameroon to do similar.

[RED CORNER]

The unions brought the country to its knees. That’ll be my Dad then, cheers. Nothing to do with being shafted by management on a monthly basis.

These people are ‘cunts’ because it affected the general public.

What are they supposed to do if all else fails? Smile nicely? They have to put their message across in a way that will get maximum publicity. Sadly the press and phone-in tools will always blame the strikers and not the issue that got them there in the first place. Fuck the issues, I had to queue for a bus.

I’m not having a go at anyone specifically here but this highlights my general feeling about this forum and my disappointment in Liverpool fans. The 70’s and 80’s saw the biggest struggle between the working man and management as privatisation, new working practices etc and exploitation came into play. Thatcher saw the unions off and gave birth to the generation of the current Liverpool fan. I remember the Coal Not Dole collections outside the Kop in 1984 and everyone was throwing in. Would that happen today? I seriously doubt it. It’s all self self self these days and as long as they’ve got there’s every issue can get fucked. My Liverpool, the Kop will always rule? Will it fuck. We’re not a band anymore, we’re not a Liverpool union anymore, we are not legion. We’re isolated people with no interest in the people standing around us. I’m as guilty as anyone as I’ve no interest in the light right wing, racist flirtations and idiocy I’ve read on here over the past twelve months and if the purveyors of such wank are matchgoers I’m not going to shift an inch.

Brought the country to its knees? A Liverpool forum. Fuck me.

People talk about the owners destroying the club but the homogenous group of like-minded fans that made us different has gone now. Tossers on one side, hard edged ‘I’m more Scouser than you’ on the other.’ That’s not Liverpool but we haven’t been Liverpool for years. The lads on the pitch will do for me. I have no choice and I mourn the loss of the things that made us different.



This.




And. I find the 'Thatcher generation' incredibly fucking thick and stupid. It was the Unions who laid the foundations for a lot of their pay and conditions and terms of employment and whilst there MAY be an argument that the Unions had become too powerful by the end of the 70's what that fucking harridan did went beyond reasonable and was downright vicious and vindictive. But, the 'Thatcher generation' can't see that. All they see is those ''cunts'' who stand up for not only their rights, but the rights and safety of you and me. Give me those ''cunts'' any fucking day of the week.

[moe1971]

Ask the press that state it everytime we get one of the unions going on strike and how many times are they going to come out with phrases like "winter of discontent". It amazes me nothing today could ever be like it was in the 70's as the unions have had their power curtailed. Whether this is a good thing only time will tell but in my opinion Blair tried to get closer to that very fine line which helps both Employers and Employees , i dont expect Cameroon to do similar.


im still not sure if you agree with the Media's assertion that they tried to bring the country to its knees or are just repeating what the press have said?

Im no expert on industrial relations in the 70's and it does appear some unions possible got too big for their boots but "brought the country to the knees".

what would be the point?

[Hunt 23]

that's not really anything like what i said though is it.

tosser

I must admit that's what it sounded like to me.

[rixf666]

I must admit that's what it sounded like to me.

I pointed out a straightforward fact that nearly every company is making cuts to jobs.

not anywhere did i say,

we have lost jobs ergo everyone else should.

also, in my first post on this thread where i labelled them "cunts" i only did so because of a previous post that said either people are "for them" or think they are "cunts", so i was merely pointing out what side of the fence i was on by referring back to that post.

you guys seem to have a big issue with the word as you bring it up every flipping post.

man, i have had enough of this debate, i dont even really care to be honest, was just a little bit miffed on the day as i probably will be again next month when they do another one, and again the month after....THE CUNTS!!

anyway, back to football...

[The Prince]

When you walk....















I hope your bus is packed.

[moe1971]

I pointed out a straightforward fact that nearly every company is making cuts to jobs.

not anywhere did i say,



also, in my first post on this thread where i labelled them "cunts" i only did so because of a previous post that said either people are "for them" or think they are "cunts", so i was merely pointing out what side of the fence i was on by referring back to that post.

you guys seem to have a big issue with the word as you bring it up every flipping post.

man, i have had enough of this debate, i dont even really care to be honest, was just a little bit miffed on the day as i probably will be again next month when they do another one, and again the month after....THE CUNTS!!

anyway, back to football...



That is not a straight foreward fact. Its a matter of opinion.

with the state the economy is in right now, nearly every single company out there is cutting costs and reducing numbers. what makes these guys any different?

why should "these guys" not be subjected to sackings etc?

at least be man enough to admit it.

[rixf666]

i dont really understand what you are asking there moe me old pal. you have highlighted what i said, then just reiterated exactly the same point.

man enough to admit what exactly? :confused:

[rixf666]

When you walk....















I hope your bus is packed.


i don't do busses.

[simon pieman]

im still not sure if you agree with the Media's assertion that they tried to bring the country to its knees or are just repeating what the press have said?

Im no expert on industrial relations in the 70's and it does appear some unions possible got too big for their boots but "brought the country to the knees".

what would be the point?

I would say similar to you that certain unions got to big for their boots. Dont get me wrong i am all for them Mam was in the N.U.T. dad was in TWGU so i know which side my breads buttered on , just think as you get older you take in more.
The miners strike split this nation and I would say that alot of the problems in our society today are down to Thatchers determinations to try and kill of union power all together, and starting with the NUM .
Still I am only saying what i think sorry if it offends.

[moe1971]

You said you were stating a matter of fact when you said "what makes these guys any different"?

"Its raning out". That is a fact.

"what makes these guys any different" is surely a matter of opinion?

[moe1971]

i don't do busses.


are they like brasses?

[The Prince]

i don't do busses.

Too working class?

[rixf666]

Too working class?


no i have a phobia of them.

stop fishing man.

[The Prince]

I'll admit I was giggling as I typed that.

Surely you accept my point that the press is largely against strikes and concentrate on the 'damage' than the reasons for the strike.

There was a woman on the BBC London strike who told a reporter that she had to walk from Kings X to Bank and had 'no idea how to get there'. I know we're supposed to express sympathy for the waif but she'd been working there for years and didn't know anything about her own city.

Struck me as odd, that.

[rixf666]

i do agree.















WOW! :D

[SteelWool]

are they like brasses?

Ride a brass to work?

I would.

[rixf666]

see what they have started, now everyone wants to do it..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1310844/Serie-A-crisis-Italian-players-announce-strikes-September-25-26.html

[AshyP]

Let me get this right. My wife and I pay a lot of money for a monthly season pass for the tube. Every weekend there are disruptions affecting the majority of the tube and on top of that we are being subjected to strike action during the week. Outstanding! I am so pleased I live and work in this country.

[The Prince]

Engineering works are for the good of the line and your service. Similar to the glorious M1 four lane sections we've both enjoyed recently. Yes, they're a pain in the arse at first but, oh the glory. The Northern Line alone was shocking for years and now it, well, less wooden.

Strikes don't happen every weekend and they're not done against you, they're done against the employer.

[RedNoodle]

Engineering works are for the good of the line and your service. Similar to the glorious M1 four lane sections we've both enjoyed recently. Yes, they're a pain in the arse at first but, oh the glory. The Northern Line alone was shocking for years and now it, well, less wooden.

Strikes don't happen every weekend and they're not done against you, they're done against the employer.

The Nothern line was and STILL IS shocking.

What do people get for their fare increases? Ticket Machines that won't take notes, Dot Matrix displays that tell you the train is 10 mins away only for it to mysteriously vanish with 1 min to go and then to be replaced a few mins later with a completely different train another 10 mins away. All that assuming services have not ground to a halt at the slightest hint of snow.

Never mind I can always pass the time with the overpriced bar of chocolate I have just purchased from one of their vending machines, which has also given me the wrong change.

[AshyP]

Engineering works are for the good of the line and your service. Similar to the glorious M1 four lane sections we've both enjoyed recently. Yes, they're a pain in the arse at first but, oh the glory. The Northern Line alone was shocking for years and now it, well, less wooden.

Strikes don't happen every weekend and they're not done against you, they're done against the employer.

I understand that mate, but every sodding weekend and on the bank holiday weekend too.

Jubilee line is my line and i cant remember when i could last use it on a weekend. I might move to Colindale ;)

[The Prince]

Nothing like as bad as it used to be. Frustrating at times, certainly (the odd situation where a Bank train becomes a CX train and they don't tell you) but gone are the days when they were absolutely filthy. At least they're comfortable now.

[RedNoodle]

Nothing like as bad as it used to be. Frustrating at times, certainly (the odd situation where a Bank train becomes a CX train and they don't tell you) but gone are the days when they were absolutely filthy. At least they're comfortable now.

Thats if you can get a seat and have not passed out either from the heat or the stench of someone with "other" heat related problems.

[baz reds77]

All i know is what i read in the Metro yesterday. Apparently he added the 2 sacked employees into the mix at the last minute when everything else had been agreed. Dont know how true that is.

All i know is that I had to pick up the missus and her mates from The O2 last night and I didnt get home til 1am :mad:

Ash, I wouldn't hold too much credence in what the Metro says, it comes from the same srable as the Reichstag. As for those of you whining about "The Fucking Unions"/Commie Twats etc etc etc try and work for a NON UNIONISED firm, no agreement on hoours/pay, working conditions changed as it suits the employer, Yes it is very annoying whenever there's a strike and a workforce withdraws its labour, but bear in mind it's more often than not a last resort, negotiations may well have been going on for ages and getting nowhere, and so it's the only way to make the management sit up & take notice, do you really think that the union leaders call a strike just for the hell of it? If they tried that, the membership would soon spew it, every time there's a strike the members lose pay, so it has to be something very serious for them to agree to walk out

[AshyP]

The more and more I think about it the more my ire is aimed at the weekend disruptions and not strike action.

This is precisely why I drive everywhere (dons tin hat and awaits the baboon) :-)

[sk1974]

Since I've been pretty critical of Bob Crow I'll happily provide a bit of balance here.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-11270928

It appears not all his threats of strikes are unjustified. If cutting security on the network really has increased assaults on staff then I would support him on this one.

I still fail to see the link between redundant underground ticket office staff and station security though.

[Ducatiboy749]

he walked past me this morning at Leyton station on my way to college!
i offered him a quid for his cause and he said is that the best you can come up with?
i said i was going to call him a fat cunt and twat him one but he looks a lot bigger in real life than he does on the telly
he laughed to be fair
gone up in my estimations
especially when he's up against that fat ginger tory cunt

[Omar C.]

I understand that mate, but every sodding weekend and on the bank holiday weekend too.

Jubilee line is my line and i cant remember when i could last use it on a weekend. I might move to Colindale ;)


Things can't be that bad... (says a former Colindale resident).
Still, you'll be that much closer to the RAF museum, always a positive.

[The Prince]

We've got a pub now too!

And the British Newspaper Library.

[AshyP]

We've got a pub now too!

And the British Newspaper Library.

Its not Queensbury though is it mate ;)

[REDMATT]

Tell you what, if your bus is too packed or your train is uncomfortable, typically late, overcrowded or well frankly just not very nice, walk you typically English whinging cunts.

Please note this is the view of Mr RM and not the view of any rail company.
Also, Bob Crow a Commie cunt? I don't particularly have a lot of time for him but given Network Rails recent stand down over 2,000 redundancies and a review of current T&C's call him what you like but he has on this occasion represented his members. That's what he was elected to do after all.

Carry on.