cant sleep

[lfcalltheway]

Hi there, just wondering if anyone suffers from sleep deprivation or insomnia or what ever you want to call it. im 15 and had it since i was about 8 - 9, It makes me feel like crap and the doctors cant exactly help because im "too young". if anyone has had or still suffers from sleep deprivation or insomnia and you have a remedy to knock me out at night (without being punched ;) ) then would you be kind enough to share it.

Thanks, Josh.

[Mozzaretti]

I've suffered since splitting with the ex Mrs Mozzaretti and having had to adjust to sleeping alone in new surroundings...

I've found two remedies - Half a bottle of Jack Daniels or the safer - half a pint of milk

[captainred]

Josh, have you tried all the usual things like, don't go on a computer or games machine a few hours before going to bed. That is a killer! How about coffee, how much do you drink? Can't believe I am asking this, but have you taken anything you shouldn't do? Sorry had to ask.
Do you know why you can't sleep? Have you got things on your mind, like exams that you are worried about, for instance.
I suffer from stress, so bad sleep comes with the territory. The ONE thing that has helped me, and my wife actually, is a dawn to dusk clock. It's a table...hang on I will get a link!!
Sorry they are called bodyclocks!!

http://www.outsidein.co.uk/shopcart/index.php/all

If you go down the page you will see them, I have the cheapest, but does work! I do have S.A.D. as well, so also have a visor in winter, but this year I also tried a bodyclock and it does work.

How is your bedroom decorated? Do I ask if there is a lot of red(!!)? Might be a great colour, but not the most restful for getting to sleep.

What did the doc say, anything? Are you on any medication, at all? I only ask this as my 12 year old was put on a tablet to help his asthma and he then struggled with his sleep. I asked the doc and she said it wouldn't affect him that way. I read the side effects and agitation and loss of sleep was one of them. He came off them a little while ago and now sleeps for England!:D

Hope this helps.

Keith

[ohdear]

I exercise and then drink camomile tea before I go to bed.If I don't then I have trouble sleeping myself,this method did once lead to exhaustion though and camomile tea makes you wee alot.

[Ducatiboy749]

Hi there, just wondering if anyone suffers from sleep deprivation or insomnia or what ever you want to call it. im 15 and had it since i was about 8 - 9, It makes me feel like crap and the doctors cant exactly help because im "too young". if anyone has had or still suffers from sleep deprivation or insomnia and you have a remedy to knock me out at night (without being punched ;) ) then would you be kind enough to share it.

Thanks, Josh.

It's only lunchtime you lazy git!;)

[lfcalltheway]

Josh, have you tried all the usual things like, don't go on a computer or games machine a few hours before going to bed. That is a killer! How about coffee, how much do you drink? Can't believe I am asking this, but have you taken anything you shouldn't do? Sorry had to ask.
Do you know why you can't sleep? Have you got things on your mind, like exams that you are worried about, for instance.
I suffer from stress, so bad sleep comes with the territory. The ONE thing that has helped me, and my wife actually, is a dawn to dusk clock. It's a table...hang on I will get a link!!
Sorry they are called bodyclocks!!

http://www.outsidein.co.uk/shopcart/index.php/all

If you go down the page you will see them, I have the cheapest, but does work! I do have S.A.D. as well, so also have a visor in winter, but this year I also tried a bodyclock and it does work.

How is your bedroom decorated? Do I ask if there is a lot of red(!!)? Might be a great colour, but not the most restful for getting to sleep.

What did the doc say, anything? Are you on any medication, at all? I only ask this as my 12 year old was put on a tablet to help his asthma and he then struggled with his sleep. I asked the doc and she said it wouldn't affect him that way. I read the side effects and agitation and loss of sleep was one of them. He came off them a little while ago and now sleeps for England!:D

Hope this helps.

Keith


cheerz for that mate, i have heard of them bodyclocks before but i didnt think it would work, as for medication = no, my room is plain white, i go on my computer when i give up trying to get to sleep witch will take about an hour before i get pissed off, dont drink coffee, havnt got exams for a while. looks like im gonna have to get a bodyclock, do you know of any natural remedies before i buy one?


Thanks, Josh

[Ducatiboy749]

cheerz for that mate, i have heard of them bodyclocks before but i didnt think it would work, as for medication = no, my room is plain white, i go on my computer when i give up trying to get to sleep witch will take about an hour before i get pissed off, dont drink coffee, havnt got exams for a while. looks like im gonna have to get a bodyclock, do you know of any natural remedies before i buy one?


Thanks, Josh

St Johns Wort is apparently quite good for de-stressing. Not tried it myself.

[lfcalltheway]

St Johns Wort is apparently quite good for de-stressing. Not tried it myself.

how would that help my sleep?

[rowben86]

how would that help my sleep?

Are you my little brother? Couldn't you have asked one of your nearest and dearest?
If it is then try staying off the comp at night and have a mug of warming horlicks.

[red raw]

Yes. I am an Insomniac.

Some nights I will get 3-4 hours sleep at the most and I just can't sleep during the day at all.

It's been put down to my overactive imagination (I guess it goes with the territory for a designer)

I have to be exhausted to sleep for more than 8-9 hours.

If I feel like it, I can go 24 hours without sleep as long as my brain is stimulated enough.

My wife is the opposite, she could sleep at any hour of the day. She just shuts her eyes and she's gone within minutes. It takes me a whole lot of effort to sleep (if that makes sense) :rolleyes:

[lfcalltheway]

exactly the same except when i do fall asleep i will sleep for 12 hours straight or more, if i wanted to stay awake i could for about 2 days.

[red raw]

On the plus side... I do have some amazingly detailed dreams (like the Stadium one) and I also never miss the end of a film :p

[rowben86]

Joshua are you listening to me?

[lfcalltheway]

Are you my little brother? Couldn't you have asked one of your nearest and dearest?
If it is then try staying off the comp at night and have a mug of warming horlicks.

yeah ben its josh lol and iv tried that before (horlics = scam if you ask me)

[rowben86]

Try not to smoke as much and like has allready been mentioned in this thread do some excercise to relax your body like sit-ups. Lol i'm speaking to you as if your a stranger.

[lfcalltheway]

Try not to smoke as much and like has allready been mentioned in this thread do some excercise to relax your body like sit-ups. Lol i'm speaking to you as if your a stranger.

lol did my dad tell you that i got some patches off the doctor?

[rowben86]

lol did my dad tell you that i got some patches off the doctor?

Fuckin hell josh your 15 brother.

[lfcalltheway]

Fuckin hell josh your 15 brother.

yeah but it gives you that little push to stop.

[rowben86]

Don't listen to everything the doctor tells you.;)
Check this game out everyone:
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/games/bloxorz

[Davide]

Try having a wank, or better still get laid

[rowben86]

Try having a wank, or better still get laid

Hows about you fuck off, fucking cunt.

[Davide]

Hows about you fuck off, fucking cunt.

Touchy eh? It's a well known fact that it helps you sleep.

I'm not sure what the mods will think of such direct abuse :confused:

[ohdear]

Well it is a form of exercise I suppose.

Looks like it's his younger brother though mate.Might explain his touchyness;) .

Not sure that touchyness is spelt like that,but you get the idea.

[captainred]

Touchy eh? It's a well known fact that it helps you sleep.

I'm not sure what the mods will think of such direct abuse :confused:

...and your telling a 15 year old to break the law and get laid!!:eek:

[ManCalledHorse]

Lavender scent is supposed to help you relax and get to sleep. Personally it has never worked for me but it might be worth a try.

[user name]

st john wort is best used for mild forms of depression... not necessarily ideal for relieving stress as the amounts used need to build up in one's body over time... camomile tea is better but to 'force' sleep without using prescription drugs u could use nytol type pills... the active ingredient being passiflora... i'm not advocating the use of this for the thread starter as he's a minor and maybe should be using the 'traditional' method suggested by davide... ;) ( the first method... as he is still a minor and having sex is still unlawful;) )...

these suggestions are purely for educational purposes as i'm not a qualified quack, but i do have a passing interest in 'herbal' remedies... :)

[lfcalltheway]

thanks everyone for the replies, im gonna have a try with the st john wort because i havnt tried that before and its been mentioned twice.

[user name]

thanks everyone for the replies, im gonna have a try with the st john wort because i havnt tried that before and its been mentioned twice.

thank fook no-one mentioned heroin twice...:rolleyes:

did u actually understand my post? google st johns wort... it is a serious herb used for other conditions that will not necessarilly help u sleep...

there is a chemist (is it 'code red'?) on these forums who could give u some pro advice...:)

[Jimmys Chippy]

No coffee or tea.
No telly or video games.

None of the above for half an hour to an hour before bed as the coffee, tea and telly are stimulating your mind and it takes time for your brain to wind down afterwards.

[ManCalledHorse]

thank fook no-one mentioned heroin

:D

Wanking also go mentioned twice by the way. :o

[captainred]

Josh, I have just found this, feeling bored of looking at the I want Tevez threads, and wondered if it helps at all.

http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/articles/article.aspx?articleId=216&sectionId=1

Go throught the whole section and see if anything rings true!
As already stated St John's Wort is a very powerful herb and might be an idea to ask your doctor before using it. Have you told your doc your desperate, as through experience, this can help. Show you are desperate, by saying you were so tired the other day, I nearly fell asleep crossing the road!! Might grab his/her attention!
I finally went the bodyclock route, as I put it off before (due to expense) but don't regret it now. The light goes off over 30 minutes and most nights I am asleep before it goes out fully. I still get my occasional bad night and when I do, I go downstairs and make myself an Ovaltine!

Take care.

Keith

[lfcalltheway]

Josh, I have just found this, feeling bored of looking at the I want Tevez threads, and wondered if it helps at all.

http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/articles/article.aspx?articleId=216&sectionId=1

Go throught the whole section and see if anything rings true!
As already stated St John's Wort is a very powerful herb and might be an idea to ask your doctor before using it. Have you told your doc your desperate, as through experience, this can help. Show you are desperate, by saying you were so tired the other day, I nearly fell asleep crossing the road!! Might grab his/her attention!
I finally went the bodyclock route, as I put it off before (due to expense) but don't regret it now. The light goes off over 30 minutes and most nights I am asleep before it goes out fully. I still get my occasional bad night and when I do, I go downstairs and make myself an Ovaltine!

Take care.

Keith

cheerz yet again mate. mum doesnt want me on tablets so its the sunset/sunrise lamp. is there any places where i can get one cheaper than £59.99?

Thanks, Josh.

[user name]

No coffee or tea.
No telly or video games.

None of the above for half an hour to an hour before bed as the coffee, tea and telly are stimulating your mind and it takes time for your brain to wind down afterwards.

caffeine after 5pm can still over-stimulate the brain contributing to insomnia... :)

[captainred]

cheerz yet again mate. mum doesnt want me on tablets so its the sunset/sunrise lamp. is there any places where i can get one cheaper than £59.99?

Thanks, Josh.
Don't think so, mate. They are very specialised as to what they do! Have you read the article from that NHS site, does anything spring to mind that would help, that could do the job without spending the £60, even though the light 99% sorted me out?

If you do get one, it takes a few days to kick in, so don't expect a miracle the first night!

Keith

[Psychoticmonkey]

Suffered from lack of sleep for years mate. I find it impossible to actually fall asleep, although once I've managed it I'm fine - there's no waking me. I have to be pretty exhausted to get to sleep in less than an hour.

I've tried many, many things, but ultimately the best option seems to be to be as active as possible during the day. Not easy with school, but having a length swim or a good hour's exercise means that by around 11 or 12 you may well be feeling a bit more ready for rest.

The worst I've suffered is when I was ill not that long ago. I didn't sleep for four days and nights - just felt really out of it. Watched loads of Argentinian/MLS/Dutch football at 5am though, which was pretty good.

Obviously I don't know what's causing it for you, but I find that if I'm up at a reasonable time, active during the day and stay awake until I go to bed (I get knackered around 4pm sometimes) then I can get into decent enough sleeping habits. Routine is probably a good idea, if possible.

Not sure if this is the best advice, but you'll probably actually get used to not getting much sleep. I'm at my sharpest when I've had 5-6 hours. Any more than that and I'm a bit slow the next day, and any less and I'm shattered (until I actually try to go to sleep, that is).

What causes it for me is probably anxiety. I do suffer from anxiety, and find it very difficult to 'switch off'. Good luck mate whatever you try, I do sympathise with you.


P.S. Don't take tablets. It's natural sleep you need, especially at 15. If you become reliant on tablets that's really unhealthy.

[jim.]

Im still up :*(

Go to bed at 2am usually but no work tomorrow and im watching Copa America

[lfcalltheway]

Suffered from lack of sleep for years mate. I find it impossible to actually fall asleep, although once I've managed it I'm fine - there's no waking me. I have to be pretty exhausted to get to sleep in less than an hour.

I've tried many, many things, but ultimately the best option seems to be to be as active as possible during the day. Not easy with school, but having a length swim or a good hour's exercise means that by around 11 or 12 you may well be feeling a bit more ready for rest.

The worst I've suffered is when I was ill not that long ago. I didn't sleep for four days and nights - just felt really out of it. Watched loads of Argentinian/MLS/Dutch football at 5am though, which was pretty good.

Obviously I don't know what's causing it for you, but I find that if I'm up at a reasonable time, active during the day and stay awake until I go to bed (I get knackered around 4pm sometimes) then I can get into decent enough sleeping habits. Routine is probably a good idea, if possible.

Not sure if this is the best advice, but you'll probably actually get used to not getting much sleep. I'm at my sharpest when I've had 5-6 hours. Any more than that and I'm a bit slow the next day, and any less and I'm shattered (until I actually try to go to sleep, that is).

What causes it for me is probably anxiety. I do suffer from anxiety, and find it very difficult to 'switch off'. Good luck mate whatever you try, I do sympathise with you.


P.S. Don't take tablets. It's natural sleep you need, especially at 15. If you become reliant on tablets that's really unhealthy.


cheerz mate. everyone is telling me differant stuff and i dont know witch one to try.

[Where'sHeggem?]

everyone is telling me differant stuff and i dont know witch one to try.


Playboy channel.

Looking at impossibly proportioned young ladies certainly makes me feel tired these days. ;)

[captainred]

cheerz mate. everyone is telling me differant stuff and i dont know witch one to try.

Been away for the weekend, so catching up. The thing is Josh, barring a few (!!!) most of the suggestions will work. It is a personal thing. I tried hot milky drinks and getting exercised out, even getting my leg over (I'm 43 and married to the other leg over'ee, so alright), but what worked long term for me has been the light. I have only used it for maybe 6-8 months, but for me it does the job 99% of the time. Yes I still get the odd bad night, like if I really am worried about something, but then I just come d/s and make myself a hot ovaltine and go back up 30 minutes later, after having read a book. It normally works. The light might not work for you, but if I remember correctly, they give a money back guarantee if it doesn't work. You need to check this, but I am sure I am right! Did that site I gave, help in any way, as most of them are cheaper options? If not, why don't you google insomnia and see what comes up?

Hope this helps and try and get it sorted before your exams!!

Keith

[rowben86]

Josh stop smoking before you go to bed. :rolleyes:

Oh and a hot bath with Lavender oil in just before you go to bed, as the Lavender oil and hot water will relax your body.

[user name]

Josh stop smoking before you go to bed. :rolleyes:

Oh and a hot bath with Lavender oil in just before you go to bed, as the Lavender oil and hot water will relax your body.

spoke with a reflexologist today who uses essential oil... he says put 1/2 drops on yer pillow every other night... this will help... remember not to over do it as lavender has the opposite effect when used to excess... night-night...:)

[steviegerrard1]

I don't really have trouble staying asleep once I am in the land of nod....but more trouble getting to sleep

[user name]

I don't really have trouble staying asleep once I am in the land of nod....but more trouble getting to sleep

sounds silly... but really don't go to bed 'till yer tired... some people go to bed at the same time each night to keep a rhythm... but as our daily lives are different, the needs for sleep are different also...

u could try valerian tea as this can have a calming effect on the mind and body...

the chemists on these forums... code red and the princess could give u a more 'pro' view...:)

[user name]

erm... pretty late for me these days... tried lots of things tonight, just ain't happening...

over-tired...

[David N'Goal]

I'm in your boat. I got to sleep yesterday morning around 4 and had to wake up at 7:30 A.M. for work. I worked 'til about 8 or 9 P.M. and I'm still wide awake right now. It's only 12:30 here but I just don't feel tired at all.

[Craoibhe Rua]

Hi mate, which of these four sentences best descibe you; 1; I can't sleep at all and as a result I lie awake and think of stuff, 2; I doze off but then seem to wake up quite soon and that can be me for hours. 3; my chattering mind keeps me awake or 4; my restless legs keep wakening me.

[ckck43]

You need a routine.

[RedNoodle]

Hi mate, which of these four sentences best descibe you; 1; I can't sleep at all and as a result I lie awake and think of stuff, 2; I doze off but then seem to wake up quite soon and that can be me for hours. 3; my chattering mind keeps me awake or 4; my restless legs keep wakening me.

1 & 3 for me. I Find it very hard to sleep through a combination of not being able to "switch off" and not being able to get into a perfectly comftable position/having various medical problems.

I usually get to sleep around 3-5am, sometimes not at all, which is not good.

In terms of things that might help people, exercise is one option (though if like me your body is up the creek, then prob not) however another is to have something audio based playing in the background. Some find that natural sounds (sound of the waves lapping, bird song etc) helps, or you could have some kind of light music or "dull" radio talk show on, as it will provide some background noise to "distract" your mind without engaging you in what is going on.

If you are thinking of using St John's Wort, then seek medical advice first, as I know from my own experiences that it can be quite dangerous if you have certain medical conditions or are talking certain medication.

Anyway good luck with whatever you try one and all, I know how horrible it can be not being able to sleep.

[Craoibhe Rua]

1 & 3 for me. I Find it very hard to sleep through a combination of not being able to "switch off" and not being able to get into a perfectly comftable position/having various medical problems.

Probably stating the obvious but have you been able to find relaxation techniques that work for you? Can you work out which came first for your, the chattering that keeps you awake or chatting to yourself cause you are bored and still awake? The reason i ask is that i tried a lot when i was younger but can now quite easily "hypnotise" myself into sleep.

My problem was that i used to awaken within 90 minutes as if i had just taken a power nap!!! After a lot of guinea-pigging i came across work that supported dietry evidence which made me question how i lived and ate.

I am a strong believer in the serotonin affect in relation to sleep as it is what turn my 15 year sleeping issues around in 4 weeks. Basically, without going too far into it (you can read up for yourself) eat your carbs in the morning (in my case i eat brekkie at 7.45), 50g of mixed unsalted nuts at 11ish, lean mean and veg for lunch, piece of fruit for your mid afternoon and then lean meat with salad/veg for evening tea. Basically, don't eat carbs after midday but if you must then not with meat. If you stick to this it won't take too long before your body gets used to smaller portions and you will stop feeling hungry (Indeed some say the hunger is merely a sugar hungry bacteria called candidia but thats consequential ).

Also, never eat processed meat (sausages etc) and cut back on bacon (fully of animal anti biotics. (i love meat by the way but i have just eat less quantity of better quality meat).

Drink small amounts of water, like a cup full, every hour.

You should find that you will feel more energetic within 2 weeks as your body is not having a processing dilema.

Anyone who wants proof, facts or figures to any of this can research it themselves!!!!!

[RedNoodle]

Unfortunately not. Some of the things I mentioned work from time to time, but nothing works on any kind of consistent basis.

The chattering came first. I find it impossible to switch my brain off and there is ALWAYS something rattling around in there (usually something negative) and the more I try not to think, the harder I find it to switch off.

Unfortunately I find it absolutely impossible to relax. I cannot tell you the amount of times I have been to hospital, physio etc and have ended up with the Doctor/Physio/Consultant etc getting a bit narky because they ask me to "relax" or "go limp" (no jokes please ;) ) and I simply can't.

There are a lot of things which are probably not helping me sleep. I have a number a medical problems and due to those and some other issues I tend to be indoors 24/7. This not only means that I am getting little exercise, but that I am also "alone with my thoughts" most of the time as well as not getting any sun.

I have lots of litrature on relaxation techniques and some bits and bobs on getting better sleep, but they just don't seem to work for me. I think the problem for me is that there are quite a few reasons why I can't sleep and it may be a bridge too far to get most, if not all of them fixed.

[SteelWool]

When I was 17 I couldn't sleep and my tutor gave me a boss bit of advice, a walk, a wank and a pint. Served me well.

[RedNoodle]

When I was 17 I couldn't sleep and my tutor gave me a boss bit of advice, a walk, a wank and a pint. Served me well.

Can't walk that much, hardly drink and only today I have been paying a trip to my local friendly urologist (don't ask) so thats me fudged then. :(

[Far Foreign Land]

Don't listen to everything the doctor tells you.;)
Check this game out everyone:
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/games/bloxorz

Please don't put links to games like this... I can't stop playing it and am getting no work done!!!

A quick wank works for me as posted by someone else... :D

[SteelWool]

Can't walk that much, hardly drink and only today I have been paying a trip to my local friendly urologist (don't ask) so thats me fudged then. :(

Sorry RedNoodle, when I posted my comment I hadn't read the whole thread when I posted so when I saw your post above I felt a bit of cunt!

The only other thing I do is keep the window open and have a read.

[RedNoodle]

Sorry RedNoodle, when I posted my comment I hadn't read the whole thread when I posted so when I saw your post above I felt a bit of cunt!

The only other thing I do is keep the window open and have a read.

Lol (am I allowed to lol on here these days?) @ SteelWool. :D I should have added a smile smiley after the frown, as whilst my own "situation" is a right downer, I was just bemoaning my "luck" and my post was not having a go at you at all, so don't worry yourself yer daft sod.

I managed to get some sleep yesterday, but I think that was down to the combination of having to get up much earlier than I would normally to go to the hospital and some new medical prob (possibly flu/virus) which is making me feel like crud, mostly via a constant headache I have had for a few days.

So what you been reading? I read loads when I was a lad but not read much/anything for years. More of an audio book/podcast man myself these days.

[SteelWool]

Lol (am I allowed to lol on here these days?) @ SteelWool. :D I should have added a smile smiley after the frown, as whilst my own "situation" is a right downer, I was just bemoaning my "luck" and my post was not having a go at you at all, so don't worry yourself yer daft sod.

I managed to get some sleep yesterday, but I think that was down to the combination of having to get up much earlier than I would normally to go to the hospital and some new medical prob (possibly flu/virus) which is making me feel like crud, mostly via a constant headache I have had for a few days.

So what you been reading? I read loads when I was a lad but not read much/anything for years. More of an audio book/podcast man myself these days.

Nice one mate, sorry to hear that your health isn't in the best state.

Been reading a lot of biographies recently. Like to read about exceptional individuals,sportsmen, politicians, artists, anyone really.

Just about to start Ranulph Fiennes', quite looking forward to it, seems he's lived about 10 peoples lives!

[jozza800]

For me it has to be using a computer, it absolutely kills me. As a Web Designer i use a computer 10 hours a day and usually right before I go to bed!

I noticed that I started to sleep alot better for the first few weeks of moving down south. I had basically 2 weeks of no computer work whatsoever.

Its probabaly the best couple of weeeks sleep ive ever had. But as soon as I got work the sleepless nights began again.

Deffo no coincedence, in my case.

Also another thing that does help is to cut out any light and noise from your room. Make sure all electrical items are off (at the mains not just on standby) an you close ypur curtains.