Chris Benoit

[paulotrac]

For anyone who used to watch wrestling, Chris Benoit and his family were found dead.

http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/benoitdead

[AntonioLFC08]

Saw this earlier when wwe.com posted it, can't fucking believe it.

PWI is also reporting:-

"The WWE just told its talent and released on its web site that Chris Benoit was found dead by Atlanta police.

Benoit, wife Nancy aka Woman and son Daniel were all found dead. We have no other details at this moment.

All plans for Raw tonight have been scrapped and they will do a show on the life of Benoit."

[makaveli18]

:eek: :eek: omg omg i cant believe this....he is like my all time best wrestler. this is like the worst timing anything this tragic could happen especiially with the bullshit about vince dead.

i think this might have happend yestada as he wasnt present in Vengence and was said due to personal reasons he wasnt here.

i still cant belive hs gone!!
:*(

[paulotrac]

:eek: :eek: omg omg i cant believe this....he is like my all time best wrestler. this is like the worst timing anything this tragic could happen especiially with the bullshit about vince dead.

i think this might have happend yestada as he wasnt present in Vengence and was said due to personal reasons he wasnt here.

i still cant belive hs gone!!
:*(

Vince who? Dead?

[mccoydromintee]

Used to be a big fan not really anymore, totally in shock. I would still read up on PPV results and they said on Vengance last night that Chris Benoit had to go home for family reasons, which is a bit weird.

The Vince thing is a storyline where they are pretending he is dead, bad timing.

[makaveli18]

Vince who? Dead?

yeh in wwe der have a storyline where hs limo exploded and he died....he aint dead in real but just in wwe...i knw weird and lame.

nwys cant wait for raw 2nyt n see wat happens...itl be good to see vince der ALIVE

[AntonioLFC08]

"Benoit had been scheduled to appear on a WWE house show on Saturday. Sources tell us Benoit called to first say he would be taking a later flight, and then to say he would not be attending the house show due to a family illness.

According to one source, Benoit said both his wife and son were throwing up blood and he needed to stay to take care of them."

Not sure what site that is on but my mate sent it me.

[makaveli18]

"Benoit had been scheduled to appear on a WWE house show on Saturday. Sources tell us Benoit called to first say he would be taking a later flight, and then to say he would not be attending the house show due to a family illness.

According to one source, Benoit said both his wife and son were throwing up blood and he needed to stay to take care of them."

Not sure what site that is on but my mate sent it me.

maybe could have been a gas leak or sumt at der home...but im gonna miss the guy

RIP CHRIS

[AntonioLFC08]

Apparently WWE have cancelled tonight's showing of RAW.

http://www.caller.com/news/2007/jun/25/wwe-cancels-show-american-bank-center/

It's not up on WWE.com yet tho

[DanielK]

Very sad, shocking and upsetting news...

So soon after we lost Eddie Guerrero also, i was so close to tears earlier on...

To quote Bret Hart " the best there is, the best there was and ever will be "

But this title is Benoit's i feel, cos i really do rate him as the Greatest Wrestler of all Time, he was my favourite, i have all his T Shirts and this really is shocking...

I dont know if i will be able to handle the tribute show which is on in around 20 minutes over here in the UK....

I still remember the night he won the world title at Wrestlemania and embraced Eddie Guerrero after he also won a title, it was one of the best wrestling moments ever but we have now lost both of em.

The world has lost a great man ! CHRIS BENOIT RIP, WILL NEVER FORGET YOU

[makaveli18]

vince is currently annoucing on skysports raw event about it...the show has been cancelled and the arena is empty...the show is going to be a 3 hour tribute to chris.


he sure was the best der was and da best der ever will be

RIP

[Rafa El Gaffer]

vince is currently annoucing on skysports raw event about it...the show has been cancelled and the arena is empty...the show is going to be a 3 hour tribute to chris.

he sure was the best der was and da best der ever will be

RIP

That on now ?

R.I.P to Chris Benoit and his Family. This is a tragedy.

[makaveli18]

That on now ?

R.I.P to Chris Benoit and his Family. This is a tragedy.

yes! it is on currently on skysports 3

[paulotrac]

Turns out he killed his wife and son. Tragic, somthing has gone wrong in his head there.

[red raw]

I'm a bit behind on Wrestling these days... but is Benoit that guy with the tooth missing and does a lot of Belly-to-back suplexes???

I can't say I have real interest but it's sad that a family has died... sounds like Carbon Monoxide or poison.

[red raw]

Turns out he killed his wife and son. Tragic, somthing has gone wrong in his head there.

:eek:

Killed them???

[red raw]

Had a look on CNN

Wrestler found dead at metro Atlanta home

FAYETTEVILLE, Ga. (CNN) -- Pro wrestler Chris Benoit, his wife, Nancy, and their seven-year-old son, Daniel, were found dead Monday at their metro Atlanta home, according to Fayette County authorities.

"We're viewing it at the moment as a murder-suicide," said Fayette County District Attorney Scott Ballard. "The sheriff's office has already very thoroughly investigated and, with the crime lab, will continue to investigate and I'm quite confident, in a few days, we'll have a lot more answers than we have right now."

Benoit's employer, the WWE, called the sheriff's department after the wrestler missed two appointments over the weekend, including a pay-per-view event in Houston.

The WWE mourned Benoit, 40, on its Web site, hailing him as one of the great champions of professional wrestling.

"The sports-entertainment world has truly suffered a loss with his passing, as one of the all-time greats was taken well before his time."

Nicknamed the "Rabid Wolverine," the native of Edmonton, Alberta, Canada, held various individual and tag-team titles during his 22-year wrestling career.

In his biography on the WWE Web site, Benoit is quoted as saying: "Wrestling has consumed my life ... It's my mistress, my passion. It defines a lot of who I am as a person."

Lt. Tommy Pope of the Fayette County Sheriffs Office said preliminary autopsy results are expected Tuesday afternoon, with toxicology results due on Wednesday. (Posted 12:20 a.m.)

[makaveli18]

yeh i was just reading on wwe.com and it been reported as a double murder suicide....apparntly he killed hs son n wife before killing hmslef :eek: :eek:

sum 1 really fukd up must have happend....chrish seemd like a very outgoing person and i cnt see hm doing sumfing this bad. let hope this aint true.

RIP Benoit Family

[Seth7724]

He killed his child, Daniel over the weekend, along with his wife. And killed himself Monday morning.

Tragic.

RIP Chris Benoit, one of the best in the business

[Jimmys Chippy]

Yes. RIP Chris, murderer of a seven year old boy.

[Ducatiboy749]

Yes. RIP Chris, murderer of a seven year old boy.

Indeed.:confused:

[Rafa El Gaffer]

Yes. RIP Chris, murderer of a seven year old boy.

On this site of all sites you are going to jump to unfound conclusions based on what you read on the internet no doubt.

Call me a fool but I'm waiting for that little thing they call proof.

It is being treated as a murder/suicide, in other words they don't know and are going through procedure.

[Seth7724]

On this site of all sites you are going to jump to unfound conclusions based on what you read on the internet no doubt.

Call me a fool but I'm waiting for that little thing they call proof.

It is being treated as a murder/suicide, in other words they don't know and are going through procedure.

Well said REG, even if he did kill his kid, I don't think anybody will know what was going on at the time, as he was due to wrestle at Vengeance in a title match Sunday, so it definatly couldn't have been his wrestling career could it?

What ever happened, he is an amazing guy.

As I said before, Tragic.

RIP Chris Benoit

[Jimmys Chippy]

On this site of all sites you are going to jump to unfound conclusions based on what you read on the internet no doubt.

Call me a fool but I'm waiting for that little thing they call proof.

It is being treated as a murder/suicide, in other words they don't know and are going through procedure.

If you look at the post above mine, my post might become clearer.

[Rafa El Gaffer]

If you look at the post above mine, my post might become clearer.

So I am to take the word of Seth over CNN ?

[Jimmys Chippy]

So I am to take the word of Seth over CNN ?

Nope. The post said he killed his kid and then he hoped he rested in peace.

[Rafa El Gaffer]

Well according to WWE.COM:

"At 10 p.m. Monday night, Lt. Pope held a press conference in conjunction with Scott Ballard, the district attorney for Fayette County. The press conference officially ruled authorities’ findings as a double murder-suicide from within the home"

- from the official wwe.com statement.

God knows what happened for him to kill his kid, his wife and then himself.

My condolonces to their family.

[Seth7724]

Well according to WWE.COM:

"At 10 p.m. Monday night, Lt. Pope held a press conference in conjunction with Scott Ballard, the district attorney for Fayette County. The press conference officially ruled authorities’ findings as a double murder-suicide from within the home"

- from the official wwe.com statement.

God knows what happened for him to kill his kid, his wife and then himself.

My condolonces to their family.

Well he was wrestling last Tuesday night, and he showed no sign of problems, but apparantly on Sunday night he was texting a good friend asking for help, but as they were so far away nobody could get to him. His friend then warned the police and they went to find him dead.

[AntonioLFC08]

It's a bit weird with these rumours of Benoit telling WWE he wasn't going to be at the two shows as Daniel and Nancy were spitting blood so he was going to stay to take care of them, then all three of them end up dead.

I don't want to believe he murdered them and will wait till WWE.com announce the cause of death for all three.

[Jimmys Chippy]

Seth. Read post 22, then 23. When you've read the post in which REG says wait till the facts are out and then you say "Well said", look back then at post 19. It's like rai-iiiiiiiiiiiiii-nnnnn on your wedding day.

[Seth7724]

Seth. Read post 22, then 23. When you've read the post in which REG says wait till the facts are out and then you say "Well said", look back then at post 19. It's like rai-iiiiiiiiiiiiii-nnnnn on your wedding day.

I was simply repeating what WWE said.

[matt72033]

makaveli18

Absolute massacre of the english language in EVERY one of your posts in this thread!

[Highland D]

He killed his child, Daniel over the weekend, along with his wife. And killed himself Monday morning.

Tragic.

RIP Chris Benoit, one of the best in the business

Yeh he sure sounds like a top guy:rolleyes:

[matt72033]

Wrestlings possibly the stupidest "sport" (if you can call it that) going!

i can't believe how into it people manage to get! Surely when you realise its all fake the attraction wears off?

Why the hell would you want to pump yourself full of steroids and christ knows what shit just to PRETEND to beat the shit out of someone? :confused:

[Rafa El Gaffer]

Wrestlings possibly the stupidest "sport" (if you can call it that) going!

i can't believe how into it people manage to get! Surely when you realise its all fake the attraction wears off?

Why the hell would you want to pump yourself full of steroids and christ knows what shit just to PRETEND to beat the shit out of someone? :confused:

At no time even as a child did I think for a second it was real.

[Jimmys Chippy]

Yeh he sure sounds like a top guy:rolleyes:

I'm waiting for "Ian Huntley RIP, whatever you think, he did keep the school nice and tidy":rolleyes:

[matt72033]

fair point....but still :confused:

[Seth7724]

Wrestlings possibly the stupidest "sport" (if you can call it that) going!

i can't believe how into it people manage to get! Surely when you realise its all fake the attraction wears off?

Why the hell would you want to pump yourself full of steroids and christ knows what shit just to PRETEND to beat the shit out of someone? :confused:

I don't think it is real, to be honest, I watch it for the comic story lines they have on it, similar to the "Vince is dead" story line.

But some characters seem like great guys, and Benoit was the one of them

[AntonioLFC08]

Police have ruled out all outside parties and believe Chris killed all of them.

They believe it took place over a 72 hour period, with Nancy being killed on Saturday, Daniel killed on Sunday and Chris was found hanging in his weight room on Monday afternoon.

Also another report:-

WWE has pulled all Chris Benoit merchandise from their Shopzone web site. Obviously this was done in reaction to the recent news regarding the Benoit family tragedy. If you search Benoit’s name on the web site, the result that you get is that the products have been “discontinued.”

Benoit’s name has been so far removed on the web site that the listing for the DVD of WrestleMania XX now reads, "Triple H defends his World Heavyweight Championship against Shawn Michaels."

[AntonioLFC08]

Wrestlings possibly the stupidest "sport" (if you can call it that) going!

i can't believe how into it people manage to get! Surely when you realise its all fake the attraction wears off?

Why the hell would you want to pump yourself full of steroids and christ knows what shit just to PRETEND to beat the shit out of someone? :confused:

Err, think about WWE mate.

World Wrestling ENTERTAINMENT.

Just like the soaps or films you watch, they're not real but you're entertained by them so you continue to watch. :rolleyes:

[matt72033]

I don't think it is real, to be honest, I watch it for the comic story lines they have on it, similar to the "Vince is dead" story line.

But some characters seem like great guys, and Benoit was the one of them

those "comic" storylines are what makes it so shit!

[Jimmys Chippy]

Err, think about WWE mate.

World Wrestling ENTERTAINMENT.

Just like the soaps or films you watch, they're not real but you're entertained by them so you continue to watch. :rolleyes:


Changed to Entertainment from Federation after World Wildlife Fund won a case against the WWE for using their initials which was copyrighted.

[AntonioLFC08]

The name WWF was the original name since the company formed and was World Wide Wrestling Federation, and the Wildlife only took court action when it became WWF and dropped a 'W'

Still has no relevance to the Entertainment side, tho.

[matt72033]

Err, think about WWE mate.

World Wrestling ENTERTAINMENT.

Just like the soaps or films you watch, they're not real but you're entertained by them so you continue to watch. :rolleyes:

was wwf back in my day!

no entertainment in there :p

[AntonioLFC08]

was wwf back in my day!

no entertainment in there :p

When is back in your day? =p

I've been watching since 1989 and the Entertainment still aint worn off for me. :cool:

[AntonioLFC08]

Channel 510 on SKY for a Press Conference on Benoit, think it is to confirm he strangled his wife, watched Vengeance with his son then smothered him in his sleep and then hung himself :(

[matt72033]

back in my day = born in 86 and watched it breifly when i was about ten!

then i realised it was shit and stopped :)

[Jimmys Chippy]

then smothered him in his sleep(


Not many people would be that considerate.

[Laura_25]

RIP to a man who has murdered his own child and his wife?

For fucks sake.

Rest in pieces more like.

[Sim]

when i first heard he was dead i was quite shocked as wrestling was a big thing in my childhood, then i read about him killing his wife and son, and i just thought he is messed up in the head. no disrespect but people who do that to the closest ones in their lives dont deserve to have memorials etc. its just sick

[matt72033]

Not many people would be that considerate.

yeah....he's a nice chap really :rolleyes:

[Seth7724]

RIP to a man who has murdered his own child and his wife?

For fucks sake.

Rest in pieces more like.

I suppose I was trying to say

RIP Chris Benoit the wrestler character, not the man.

[Laura_25]

I suppose I was trying to say

RIP Chris Benoit the wrestler character, not the man.

Wrestling? I'd rather stick pins in my eyes.

Man/Wrestler/Cunt.

You actually said earlier Seth, "whatever happened , he is an amazing guy"

So amazing, that he killed his own family? How I beg to differ.

[Seth7724]

Wrestling? I'd rather stick pins in my eyes.

Man/Wrestler/Cunt.

You actually said earlier Seth, "whatever happened , he is an amazing guy"

So amazing, that he killed his own family? How I beg to differ.

Just out of intrest, how would you feel if this was Jamie Carragher

And by the way now I have had time to think about it, I do not think anything of him as a man anymore

[makaveli18]

Absolute massacre of the english language in EVERY one of your posts in this thread!

ds is how im use to typn on the net...i fnd it hrd to write it the corrct way....SOWI!!

....even in ma english exam few years back i nearly wrte like this.

[Seth7724]

ds is how im use to typn on the net...i fnd it hrd to write it the corrct way....SOWI!!

....even in ma english exam few years back i nearly wrte like this.

You need to see somebody about that!

Just don't email asking for an appointment

[Laura_25]

ds is how im use to typn on the net...i fnd it hrd to write it the corrct way....SOWI!!

....even in ma english exam few years back i nearly wrte like this.

Tough shite, I've banned one person for the use of text speak already today, you know the forum rules, and you have been warned before.

[Laura_25]

Just out of intrest, how would you feel if this was Jamie Carragher

And by the way now I have had time to think about it, I do not think anything of him as a man anymore

Seth, if it was my OWN brother, I'd fucking disown him. He killed a child for the love of God.

[makaveli18]

You need to see somebody about that!

Just don't email asking for an appointment

dont worry il just go back to school

[makaveli18]

Tough shite, I've banned one person for the use of text speak already today, you know the forum rules, and you have been warned before.

sorry! when was i warned before out of curiosity???? dont worry il try use the proper english language here.

[Seth7724]

Seth, if it was my OWN brother, I'd fucking disown him. He killed a child for the love of God.

Ok. I was just trying to see what you thought.

Some "wrestling fanatics" (Not me) saw Benoit as a Carragher type man in the business, commited to what he does, and always worked with a passion.

I suppose you have very strong feelings about this.

I guess he killed himself, so the American authorities can't give him the death penalty (As I am guessing that is what he would of got, well hoping)

And as REG said before, this is what they think happened at the moment, and although it is likely, you still cannot be sure! I mean how do the police know that they sat down with his child to watch TV before he smuthered him!

[matt72033]

dont worry il just go back to school

sounds like you should still be there!

[Laura_25]

sorry! when was i warned before out of curiosity???? dont worry il try use the proper english language here.

See now that's better. I told you about text speak ages ago when you signed up, also, see the announcements section, it's banned on here.

Cheers.

[matt72033]

I suppose you have very strong feelings about this.


i think anyone worth knowing would have strong feelings about a man who murders his wife and son before killing himself!

pathetic excuse for a man

[makaveli18]

sounds like you should still be there!

if only i could be. the best 5 years of my life was spent at school. mates, chilling, school dinners, p.e and best of all school trips.

if only i was still there.

[Laura_25]

Ok. I was just trying to see what you thought.

Some "wrestling fanatics" (Not me) saw Benoit as a Carragher type man in the business, commited to what he does, and always worked with a passion.

I suppose you have very strong feelings about this.

I guess he killed himself, so the American authorities can't give him the death penalty (As I am guessing that is what he would of got, well hoping)

And as REG said before, this is what they think happened at the moment, and although it is likely, you still cannot be sure! I mean how do the police know that they sat down with his child to watch TV before he smuthered him!

That's because football is actually a sport, whereas wrestling is a load of pricks prancing about and pretending to sit/dive/crush each other.
I saw something about this on SN earlier on, it has been confirmed that his boy died of asphyxiation, Post Mortem doesn't take all that long, (unless there are mitigating circumstances) especially when considering the forensics of crime scene.

Hypothetically, if it was our own JC who committed such a sick crime, then I would tell you hand on heart that he too would deserve to rot in hell.

[Psychoticmonkey]

I suppose I was trying to say

RIP Chris Benoit the wrestler character, not the man.

In that case, someone had better start a "Get well soon, Justin from Hollyoaks" thread right away.

[RedRich]

I wonder whether this is going to turn out to be a steroids related thing.

I don't follow wrestling and don't know who this guy is but I always hear these sort of stories in relation to wrestling/bodybuilding etc.

No excuse for what he did obviously but I am curious, specially as from what I've read on here he was quite a respected figure.

[matt72033]

if only i could be. the best 5 years of my life was spent at school. mates, chilling, school dinners, p.e and best of all school trips.

if only i was still there.

well you obviously weren't learning whilst you were there :p

[makaveli18]

:eek: :eek: is high school for learning

[vin]

RIP??? RIP??? He's a cnut and a coward!

[Sim]

:eek: :eek: is high school for learning

yes

[makaveli18]

yes

ohhhh! i think i messed up then.

[Sim]

by the looks of it you dropped out when you were 12

[makaveli18]

by the looks of it you dropped out when you were 12

like i would ever drop out from school....anyways we should get back to the topic

[RedRich]

The forum is making me feel old tonight :*(

[matt72033]

by the looks of it you dropped out when you were 12

or maybe he is actually twelve?

[Sim]

or maybe he is actually twelve?

good point. maybe more likely

[Rafa El Gaffer]

i think anyone worth knowing would have strong feelings about a man who murders his wife and son before killing himself!

pathetic excuse for a man

That's just it though you have no idea as to what level of control he had at the time. It is a truely bizzare occurence (and no not just because he was famous). It is like when that mother killed her kids not so long ago and then herself. Cases like this are becoming seemingly more frequent and it is worrying.

According to reports he phoned his mate to help him before he did it. If I remember correctly the mother in the other example did the same thing.

As for comparing this to Ian Huntley, that is just ridiculous. These two cases are nothing alike.

[makaveli18]

good point. maybe more likely

hahahaha!!! nope i aint 12. i am really 19.

[vin]

That's just it though you have no idea as to what level of control he had at the time. It is a truely bizzare occurence (and no not just because he was famous). It is like when that mother killed her kids not so long ago and then herself. Cases like this are becoming seemingly more frequent and it is worrying.

According to reports he phoned his mate to help him before he did it. If I remember correctly the mother in the other example did the same thing.

As for comparing this to Ian Huntley, that is just ridiculous. These two cases are nothing alike.

If he did phone people for help, he knew that he was going to do something, why not check yourself into a hospital or something????

[Sim]

hahahaha!!! nope i aint 12. i am really 19.

had me fooled

[King_Luis]

If he did phone people for help, he knew that he was going to do something, why not check yourself into a hospital or something????

the guys been a wrestler for 22 years, i hardly think that logic is his strong point


personally i cant stand wrestling, and no matter who you are there is no excuse for it

RIP his son and his wife

[Caroline]

One thing that a lot of people are overlooking is that Benoit was suffering serious mental health issues.

He had suffered from severe depression for a long time (he was on suicide watch for a while) and despised the "eddiesploitation" of the death of his best friend by the company that he worked for and the business that he loved.

Whilst I in no way condone the murder of any child, I think people here would be less likely to take the piss or condemn him completely without knowing the facts.

[matt72033]

That's just it though you have no idea as to what level of control he had at the time. It is a truely bizzare occurence (and no not just because he was famous). It is like when that mother killed her kids not so long ago and then herself. Cases like this are becoming seemingly more frequent and it is worrying.

According to reports he phoned his mate to help him before he did it. If I remember correctly the mother in the other example did the same thing.

As for comparing this to Ian Huntley, that is just ridiculous. These two cases are nothing alike.


i realise people that do this kind of thing obviously aren't the most stable mentally.....and i cant begin to understand what thats like!

but he murdered his wife and son.....in my opinion, i dont care what your mental state is, when you take the lives of two innocent people, (especially your own flesh and blood) your a piece of shit in my book!


not quite sure where the huntley ref came from :confused:

[matt72033]

the guys been a wrestler for 22 years, i hardly think that logic is his strong point


:D :D :D

[Laura_25]

One thing that a lot of people are overlooking is that Benoit was suffering serious mental health issues.

He had suffered from severe depression for a long time (he was on suicide watch for a while) and despised the "eddiesploitation" of the death of his best friend by the company that he worked for and the business that he loved.

Whilst I in no way condone the murder of any child, I think people here would be less likely to take the piss or condemn him completely without knowing the facts.

Sorry mate, gonna have to disagree with you completely here. If he was suffering from mental health issues that were so severe that they resulted in the death of his wife and child, then he should have taken himself out of the equation in my opinion. And by that, I mean have committed himself to ensure that he got the help he needed, and posed no danger to his family.

Also, the authorities who had him on suicide watch should also have been aware of the potential risk to his family, due to his mental instability.
In America, those considered "suicidal" are placed under the care of both a Psychiatrist and a Psychologist to try to prevent occurences such as this.
Too little too late in this case?

[Caroline]

Sorry mate, gonna have to disagree with you completely here. If he was suffering from mental health issues that were so severe that they resulted in the death of his wife and child, then he should have taken himself out of the equation in my opinion. And by that, I mean have committed himself to ensure that he got the help he needed, and posed no danger to his family.

Also, the authorities who had him on sucide watch should also have been aware of the potential risk to his family, due to his mental instability.
In America, those considered "suicidal" are placed under the care of both a Psychiatrist and a Psychologist to try to prevent occurences such as this.
Too little too late in this case?

Absolutely. But then you either blame the person or the system that failed him.

People who are mentally ill are rarely able to recognise it in themselves. It's a tragedy and obviously by being the one who struck the fatal blows, he is culpable for the loss of life.

Unfortunately some people do not have the capacity to judge their own mental state and that is why the authorities have the capacity to section people and to hold them against their will to prevent or minimise harm to themselves or others.

If it turns out he was just a 'roidy by the way, I will completely withdraw any empathetic feeling.

[Laura_25]

Absolutely. But then you either blame the person or the system that failed him.

People who are mentally ill are rarely able to recognise it in themselves. It's a tragedy and obviously by being the one who struck the fatal blows, he is culpable for the loss of life.

Unfortunately some people do not have the capacity to judge their own mental state and that is why the authorities have the capacity to section people and to hold them against their will to prevent or minimise harm to themselves or others.

If it turns out he was just a 'roidy by the way, I will completely withdraw any empathetic feeling.

Not necessarily true, but every case is different mate. But either way, I can't sit back and listen to a load of "RIP" and he was an "amazing man whatever happened" bullshit.
Because that's exactly what it is, bullshit.

[Rafa El Gaffer]

the guys been a wrestler for 22 years, i hardly think that logic is his strong point


personally i cant stand wrestling, and no matter who you are there is no excuse for it

RIP his son and his wife

Yeah all those wrestlers who make millions by doing about 2-3 nights work a week are proper idiots.:rolleyes:

[Rafa El Gaffer]

i realise people that do this kind of thing obviously aren't the most stable mentally.....and i cant begin to understand what thats like!

but he murdered his wife and son.....in my opinion, i dont care what your mental state is, when you take the lives of two innocent people, (especially your own flesh and blood) your a piece of shit in my book!


not quite sure where the huntley ref came from :confused:

I think you are missing the point.

[Laura_25]

Yeah all those wrestlers who make millions by doing about 2-3 nights work a week are proper idiots.:rolleyes:

I'd say the same is applicable to those that watch it, as they are ones who line their pockets, as with any "sport". Not that I consider wrestling a sport however, more of a joke.

Why men want to watch other men in tight pants and no tops is beyond my comprehension.

Oh look.......he sat on his face again!! :rolleyes:

[Rafa El Gaffer]

Absolutely. But then you either blame the person or the system that failed him.

People who are mentally ill are rarely able to recognise it in themselves. It's a tragedy and obviously by being the one who struck the fatal blows, he is culpable for the loss of life.

Unfortunately some people do not have the capacity to judge their own mental state and that is why the authorities have the capacity to section people and to hold them against their will to prevent or minimise harm to themselves or others.

If it turns out he was just a 'roidy by the way, I will completely withdraw any empathetic feeling.

Spot on.

[Rafa El Gaffer]

I'd say the same is applicable to those that watch it, as they are ones who line their pockets, as with any "sport". Not that I consider wrestling a sport however, more of a joke.

Why men want to watch other men in tight pants and no tops is beyond my comprehension.

Oh look.......he sat on his face again!! :rolleyes:

No more stupid than watching any soap in my opinion.

[matt72033]

I think you are missing the point.

care to enlighten me?

[Highland D]

Now children!

Lets not argue over a cunt who has mudered his wife and kid.

Just a thought:cool:


Rot in Hell Beniot

[Laura_25]

No more stupid than watching any soap in my opinion.

Grown men watching wrestling....no that's not stupid at all.

This thread has turned out almost as well as "RIP Bernard Manning". Lovely to know people feel such genuine sadness at the loss of a bloke they don't know, who murdered his wife and child.

[Rafa El Gaffer]

care to enlighten me?

Caz just did it for me.

[King_Luis]

Yeah all those wrestlers who make millions by doing about 2-3 nights work a week are proper idiots.:rolleyes:

i never said that he was an idiot.

To be an athelete at that sort of level they have to do alot more than work 2-3 nights a week, they have to train pretty much every day. Me personally could never do the things those guys do


in a way though, its sad that the events of the last days of his life, have overshadowed his entire career

[matt72033]

No more stupid than watching any soap in my opinion.

except people dont go to watch soaps live......neither do soaps come on pay per view!

[Rafa El Gaffer]

Grown men watching wrestling....no that's not stupid at all.


As a grown man I don't feel the need to be told what I should or should not or can and can't watch. If I want to watch Tellytubbies then fuck it I will. :)

[Highland D]

except people dont go to watch soaps live......neither do soaps come on pay per view!

I would if Dot Cotton waxed her chest and oiled herself up

[Rafa El Gaffer]

except people dont go to watch soaps live......neither do soaps come on pay per view!

No because soaps are pre recorded, try and keep up. :p

[Laura_25]

She didn't actually, as Caz stated that most people with serious mental illness are not aware of the fact. She is indeed correct, in many instances, but not all.

In Benoit's case, it has been stated that he telephoned people for help in the run up to the homicides. Now, I DO know a fair bit about Psychology, and I think it's quite likely that he was well aware of his mental disposition to have sought help from other people in the first instance. Ie... he recognised he was ill.

[RedRich]

Yeah all those wrestlers who make millions by doing about 2-3 nights work a week are proper idiots.:rolleyes:

That kind of physicality is no walk in the park, faked or not. (I know it is by the way :rolleyes: )

Having said that the money is still crazy.

[King_Luis]

I would if Dot Cotton waxed her chest and oiled herself up

thats... just... a... horrible... thought...

[Laura_25]

As a grown man I don't feel the need to be told what I should or should not or can and can't watch. If I want to watch Tellytubbies then fuck it I will. :)

Who TOLD you what you could watch? Nobody as I recall, just you being your usual "confrontational" self.

Not going to start a seperate RIP thread then? Well, that's something at least.

[Rafa El Gaffer]

i never said that he was an idiot.

To be an athelete at that sort of level they have to do alot more than work 2-3 nights a week, they have to train pretty much every day. Me personally could never do the things those guys do


in a way though, its sad that the events of the last days of his life, have overshadowed his entire career

No it isn't what is sad that three people are dead. I honestly couldn't give a shit about how an actor may or may not be remembered.

I feel sorry for Benoit as it seems he was clearly ill. I feel more sorry for his wife and child who were not only murdered but by someone so dear to them.

[matt72033]

Caz just did it for me.

like i said
my opinion......man murders his wife and kid = piece of shit!

dont give a fuck about his mental state!

the world we live in today has plenty of provisions for people to get help should they require/want it! if he rang a friend for help.....he knew what was going on!

society uses this "mentally unstable" thing to hide behind far too often imo

[Rafa El Gaffer]

Who TOLD you what you could watch? Nobody as I recall, just you being your usual "confrontational" self.

Not going to start a seperate RIP thread then? Well, that's something at least.

I was speaking in general. Not sure what the last part is all about like.

[Highland D]

thats... just... a... horrible... thought...

Ok that was below the belt!

I'd only consider it if big Pat came along as well.

[matt72033]

No because soaps are pre recorded, try and keep up. :p

exactly.....so people dont pay to go and watch eastenders do they? whereas people do pay to watch wrestling!

fine for kids! but grown adults? :rolleyes:

[Rafa El Gaffer]

dont give a fuck about his mental state!

the world we live in today has plenty of provisions for people to get help should they require/want it! if he rang a friend for help.....he knew what was going on!

society uses this "mentally unstable" thing to hide behind far too often imo

Yeah I am sure he knew he was going to kill his wife and child, the two most important people in his life and decided to not get help. Wake up lad, this happens far too often for the people to have anywhere near as much control as you suggest.

Yeah society have cleverly invented mental illness to give the murderers something to hide behind.

Next time you see someone in a wheelchair just go over to them and shout really loud "get up! you're not fooling me, bloody society!"

[Highland D]

Wrestling isn't pre recorded like soaps but yet the outcome is known months in advance,just like soaps................

Both shit in my opinion *although Hollyoaks is good at the moment*

[The Prince]

Genuine question (mainly because I'm reading about it).

Does Peter Sutcliffe get any sympathy as he's mentally ill?

[Rafa El Gaffer]

exactly.....so people dont pay to go and watch eastenders do they? whereas people do pay to watch wrestling!

fine for kids! but grown adults? :rolleyes:

I don't see it as a big deal, it is a show, if people like that thing and want to go and watch it then fair play to them. There are people out there that think watching overpaid men kick a piece of "leather" round for 90 minutes are mad.

Each to their own I say. As long as you are not hurting anyone else then what's the harm ?

[Laura_25]

I was speaking in general. Not sure what the last part is all about like.

You should be, there have been enough "RIP" outpourings in recent times.

Talking in general, but felt the need to write "so fuck it I will".

Isn't the Ultimate Warrior dead now as well? Now he was "all the rage" when I was at school. But at least he didn't murder his family.

RIP Benoit? His family are the ones who deserve that.

Ok that was below the belt!

I'd only consider it if big Pat came along as well.

Ha! You never fail to amuse me Paul. :D

[RedRich]

Wrestling isn't pre recorded like soaps but yet the outcome is known months in advance,just like soaps................

Both shit in my opinion *although Hollyoaks is good at the moment*

:eek:

















I only react like that because I watch it too:o

[matt72033]

I don't see it as a big deal, it is a show, if people like that thing and want to go and watch it then fair play to them. There are people out there that think watching overpaid men kick a piece of "leather" round for 90 minutes are mad.

Each to their own I say. As long as you are not hurting anyone else then what's the harm ?

true, fair point!

[matt72033]

Yeah I am sure he knew he was going to kill his wife and child, the two most important people in his life and decided to not get help. Wake up lad, this happens far too often for the people to have anywhere near as much control as you suggest.

Yeah society have cleverly invented mental illness to give the murderers something to hide behind.

Next time you see someone in a wheelchair just go over to them and shout really loud "get up! you're not fooling me, bloody society!"

not gonna carry on arguing this one mate! no point, just gonna go round in circles!

i've said my point of view! you've said yours, dont think we're gonna agree :p

[The Prince]

Genuine question (mainly because I'm reading about it).

Does Peter Sutcliffe get any sympathy as he's mentally ill?

Good point, Prince.

[RedRich]

Isn't the Ultimate Warrior dead now as well?

I remember him too. I remember when they stuck some other bloke in his make-up and pass him off as the same character. Then the original came back and it was around then I stopped paying attention :rolleyes:

[Rafa El Gaffer]

Genuine question (mainly because I'm reading about it).

Does Peter Sutcliffe get any sympathy as he's mentally ill?

I believe he suffers from Scizophrenia?

[matt72033]

Good point, Prince.

edit: he did

[Laura_25]

She didn't actually, as Caz stated that most people with serious mental illness are not aware of the fact. She is indeed correct, in many instances, but not all.

In Benoit's case, it has been stated that he telephoned people for help in the run up to the homicides. Now, I DO know a fair bit about Psychology, and I think it's quite likely that he was well aware of his mental disposition to have sought help from other people in the first instance. Ie... he recognised he was ill.

I see that people are still defending his mental position without considering what's been said above. Could they possibly be wearing blinkers due to their love of Wrestling I wonder?

true, fair point!

It's still a load of wank.

[matt72033]

It's still a load of wank.

yup :D gimme eastenders anyday :p

[The Prince]

Yeah, he did but he was still mentally unstable enough to kill people - something he may not have had control over. Same with Benoit. The only reason Sutcliffe is treated differently here is because he wasn't caught or committed suicide.

[RedRich]

Good point, Prince.

Good point, Prince. :)

I don't know enough about Sutcliffe to comment. If he has some kind of mental illness now thats one thing but did he have it at the time of the murders?

[The Prince]

Good point, Prince. :)

I don't know enough about Sutcliffe to comment. If he has some kind of mental illness now thats one thing but did he have it at the time of the murders?

He had it as far back as 1969 (first "official" murder in 1975) but he fought it before he lost control.

[matt72033]

surely anyone who has murdered someone has got some kind of mental problem? :confused:

[Rafa El Gaffer]

You should be, there have been enough "RIP" outpourings in recent times.

Talking in general, but felt the need to write "so fuck it I will".



I also started the sentence with I as well. The point was not aimed at you but how I couldn't give a fuck about what society tell me I should or shouldn't watch.

I should be what ? You lost me.

[The Prince]

surely anyone who has murdered someone has got some kind of mental problem? :confused:

Well, that's more of a moral thing. Could you say that about soldiers?

[Rafa El Gaffer]

Yeah, he did but he was still mentally unstable enough to kill people - something he may not have had control over. Same with Benoit. The only reason Sutcliffe is treated differently here is because he wasn't caught or committed suicide.

No he is probably treated differently due to the severity of his condition and the fact he bragged about the multiple murders he commited.

[Laura_25]

I could also go into one and explain the differences in the frontal lobes of those with Schizophrenia and those who carry the diagnosis of Psychopath.
Because, both are techicially considered to be "mentally ill" by society, but let me tell you there is a very big difference between both.

There are many types of mental illness, and Schizophrenia and Bi-Polar disorder is most commonly diagnosed between the ages of 20-30 years old, but can occur at any age. They can also be drug induced. In the case of a Psychopath, let's take somebody like Ian Brady. Diagnosed mentally ill. Kept in a secure unit that is Ashworth hospital. Yet, his medical diagnosis has him down as a Psychopath. Scans of those with Schizophrenia tends to show frontal lobe damage. Scans of those who are "Psychopaths" shows their frontal lobes to be identical to those who are considered "normal". Which suggests pre-meditated evil, and more of often than not, no remorse for their crimes. Like in the case of Brady. Hindly however, (Another one who can rot in hell) was known to be under duress from Brady, and repented her crimes. Should she be forgiven? Should she hell.

Brady, and Sutcliffe, both diagnosed mentally ill. Both categorised differently.

[Psychoticmonkey]

Genuine question (mainly because I'm reading about it).

Does Peter Sutcliffe get any sympathy as he's mentally ill?

I suppose it comes down to whether or not mental illness excuses any acts the sufferer commits. I don't feel the slightest trace of sympathy for Benoit but I'm not convinced it's fair to label him an evil person.

Is the book you're reading the one by Michael Bilton?

[matt72033]

Well, that's more of a moral thing. Could you say that about soldiers?

tough call......if you join up for a career in which you know you could be called upon to kill another human being then your kind of making a choice arent you?

obviously being in the military is a different circumstance, but i would never volunteer for anything like that because i know i wouldnt be able to do it!

[Rafa El Gaffer]

surely anyone who has murdered someone has got some kind of mental problem? :confused:

Not necessarily.

You can't compare rage getting the best of your better judgement to a mental illness that is responsible for the death of someone.

As prince says what about Soldiers?

What about Euthenasia? Is that Murder? There are so many different circumstances.

[Laura_25]

I also started the sentence with I as well. The point was not aimed at you but how I couldn't give a fuck about what society tell me I should or shouldn't watch.

I should be what ? You lost me.

Hulk Hogan says your tea's ready!!

[The Prince]

He didn't brag about so much as laugh at the police fuck ups that led him ot more killings.

Laura, Sutcliffe had a bike crash before the "voices" came to him and he had no medical help so I suppose that could be something to do with it. His (ex)wife is certainly bi-polar.

[Rafa El Gaffer]

tough call......if you join up for a career in which you know you could be called upon to kill another human being then your kind of making a choice arent you?

obviously being in the military is a different circumstance, but i would never volunteer for anything like that because i know i wouldnt be able to do it!

A lot of people have said they would not be able to kill someone yet when they had no choice have done just that.

[Rafa El Gaffer]

Hulk Hogan says your tea's ready!!

Tell him he was shit in Suburban Commando.

[Psychoticmonkey]

In the case of a Psychopath, let's take somebody like Ian Brady. Diagnosed mentally ill. Kept in a secure unit that is Ashworth hospital. Yet, his medical diagnosis has him down as a Psychopath. Scans of those with Schizophrenia tends to show frontal lobe damage. Scans of those who are "Psychopaths" shows their frontal lobes to be identical to those who are considered "normal". Which suggests pre-medicated evil, and more of often than not, no remorse for their crimes. Like in the case of Brady.

Seeing as you seem to know your stuff, wonder if you could shed any light on this. I was once told that a Psychopath is somebody with no comprehension at all of other people's emotions - they are unaware anybody else has 'feelings'.

What I didn't like about that was it suggests that if it wasn't for symapthy for others' emotions, our natural state would just be one of violence. Then again, thinking about it, I suppose that could be the instinctive survival of the fittest element to our nature...

[The Prince]

I suppose it comes down to whether or not mental illness excuses any acts the sufferer commits. I don't feel the slightest trace of sympathy for Benoit but I'm not convinced it's fair to label him an evil person.

Is the book you're reading the one by Michael Bilton?

I've read that one, er, Psycho. :o and it's the best one. I'm actually reading Barbara Jones' Voices From An Evil God as it's about his time in Broadmoor. I'm reading it on the tube in the morning and getting very odd looks.

I'm interested in all this as he made the late seventies hellish for women. He never killed in Liverpool although his hoaxer threatened to do so. His Manchester murder was discovered by the bloke who plays Les Battersby. Fact.

Matt, surely killing is killing whether one is allowed and the other isn't.

[matt72033]

Not necessarily.

You can't compare rage getting the best of your better judgement to a mental illness that is responsible for the death of someone.

As prince says what about Soldiers?

What about Euthenasia? Is that Murder? There are so many different circumstances.

when i was a bit younger i used to absolutely fly off the hook with my mum sometimes, i would smash up my room, i have 2 holes in my walls where i punched them (plus a few that are now repaired) i broke my hand once when i punched the wrong wall!

my mum used to be shit scared when i did it, but the only reason i did it was because if i didnt it would be her i took my rage out on! you always have the choice of venting aggression or anger on something else!

i wouldnt call euthenasia murder personally, its with the consent of the person concerned, your not taking their life from them! they want it!

[Laura_25]

He didn't brag about so much as laugh at the police fuck ups that led him ot more killings.

Laura, Sutcliffe had a bike crash before the "voices" came to him and he had no medical help so I suppose that could be something to do with it. His (ex)wife is certainly bi-polar.

Sonia was diagnosed with Bi-Polar disorder yes, and there was also a period of time that she was treated (probably incorrectly) with Lithium for Manic depression.

Knocks to the head that have caused any form of brain trauma can indeed induce some forms of mental disturbance such as Schizophrenia, so that could be a factor. Or it may completely be unrelated. (If Sutcliffe hit his head during his crash)

The voices in Sutcliffes head, ordered him to rid the place of prostitutes, which shows that he did have SOME degree of control over WHOM he killed.

[Laura_25]

Tell him he was shit in Suburban Commando.

He says you told him you found him attractive in Mr Nanny.

[matt72033]

A lot of people have said they would not be able to kill someone yet when they had no choice have done just that.

yea, i guess thats a position we all hope we wont find ourselves in!

i just find it very hard to comprehend that anybody would "want" to kill someone.....without there being something wrong with them?

soldiers embark in careers of killing people? slightly twisted? someones gotta do it i guess

benoit.....didnt want to kill anyone but still did, and as we've found out theres obv something wrong with his mental state!

huntley? sutcliffe? something wrong with them definately!

being overcome by rage.....personally if i ever found myself with my hands round the neck of someone i would hope something would kick in and make me see what i was doing, but i guess we dont know that until we're in the situation

[The Prince]

Sonia was diagnosed with Bi-Polar disorder yes, and there was also a period of time that she was treated (probably incorrectly) with Lithium for Manic depression.

Knocks to the head that have caused any form of brain trauma can indeed induce some forms of mental disturbance such as Schizophrenia, so that could be a factor. Or it may completely be unrelated. (If Sutcliffe hit his head during his crash)

The voices in Sutcliffes head, ordered him to rid the place of prostitutes, which shows that he did have SOME degree of control over WHOM he killed.

Well, his voices argument really ended when he started killing prostitutes and just went on to women in general. He's also believe to have nearly killed a can driver and murdered a bookie in the late sixties.

He did hit his head and said "the helmet was smashed like an egg-shell." He definitely had headache etc but he thought nothing of it. Have you heard his voice now? Really eerie. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYdz6Gj-SB0

[Rafa El Gaffer]

when i was a bit younger i used to absolutely fly off the hook with my mum sometimes, i would smash up my room, i have 2 holes in my walls where i punched them (plus a few that are now repaired) i broke my hand once when i punched the wrong wall!

my mum used to be shit scared when i did it, but the only reason i did it was because if i didnt it would be her i took my rage out on! you always have the choice of venting aggression or anger on something else!

i wouldnt call euthenasia murder personally, its with the consent of the person concerned, your not taking their life from them! they want it!

You are looking at this from your point of view and to the best of my knowledge I would guess that you have no mental health problem.

Everyone has punched a wall, or thrown a phone or whatever but this isn't the issue. The issue is that you had the control and you lost it to some degree, which despite the glamourisation of violence is actually no more than a sign of weakness.

You knew what you were doing was wrong and you probably tried a bit harder not to do it again, a lot of people start off violent and over time learn to control their aggression.

We are talking about mentally ill people who in some cases for example believe that they are killing the person they are because God is telling them to or because they believe they have seen evil in them. Other people get so depressed that they see the World as a torture to themselves and it pains them to live in it (were not talking Emo's here we are talking truly suicidal people) then because they are not thinking rationally they actually think they are helping their victims by taking their lives so they do not have to endure this pain.

You can't compare you punching a wall to these people as you are and I think that is why you are seeing it so straight forward.

There is a reason that Mental Hospital exist and that is because people are sick, no one is sick by choice though there are some people that are just horrible evil bastards motivated by money and wanting to inspire fear to gain power or control.

I personally don't believe that Benoit was one of these people and I geniunely believe he was ill.

[Laura_25]

Seeing as you seem to know your stuff, wonder if you could shed any light on this. I was once told that a Psychopath is somebody with no comprehension at all of other people's emotions - they are unaware anybody else has 'feelings'.

What I didn't like about that was it suggests that if it wasn't for symapthy for others' emotions, our natural state would just be one of violence. Then again, thinking about it, I suppose that could be the instinctive survival of the fittest element to our nature...

That is correct yeah, those diagnosed as being "Psychopathic" have no empathy. They tend to be unable to recgonise any emotional outpouring of another, be that pain, fear, or terror. The emergence of empathy occurs when we are children, and are usually fully empathically aware by the age of 2. Some children fail to fully develop empathy.

Those diagnosed as psychopathic also tend to have above average intelligence.

[Laura_25]

yea, i guess thats a position we all hope we wont find ourselves in!

i just find it very hard to comprehend that anybody would "want" to kill someone.....without there being something wrong with them?

soldiers embark in careers of killing people? slightly twisted? someones gotta do it i guess

benoit.....didnt want to kill anyone but still did, and as we've found out theres obv something wrong with his mental state!

huntley? sutcliffe? something wrong with them definately!

being overcome by rage.....personally if i ever found myself with my hands round the neck of someone i would hope something would kick in and make me see what i was doing, but i guess we dont know that until we're in the situation

Huntley, is another one, to the best of my knowledge who has never shown any remorse, nor explained his actions. Similar to Brady.

[Rafa El Gaffer]

He says you told him you found him attractive in Mr Nanny.

Though I have never seen it he did look dishy on the trailers.

[Highland D]

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I only react like that because I watch it too:o

Do you reckon OB is the killer (Claire comes out of her coma;) )

[Laura_25]

Well, his voices argument really ended when he started killing prostitutes and just went on to women in general. He's also believe to have nearly killed a can driver and murdered a bookie in the late sixties.

He did hit his head and said "the helmet was smashed like an egg-shell." He definitely had headache etc but he thought nothing of it. Have you heard his voice now? Really eerie. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYdz6Gj-SB0

I have been played a few tapes of Sutcliffe in the past, some old, from the times of his killings (as well as the hoax tapes) and some of how he sounds now. To me, he sounded very creepy, however, given that I knew who I was about to listen to, may tend to cloud my judgment as to how weird I may find his voice.

[matt72033]

I personally don't believe that Benoit was one of these people and I geniunely believe he was ill.

i agree, theres no reason to suggest otherwise! though i still cannot sympathise with him!

i guess i just find it very hard to get my head around the idea of not being in control of yourself and your mind to the extent of killing someone without realising what your doing, or realising what your doing is wrong!

[Rafa El Gaffer]

He didn't brag about so much as laugh at the police fuck ups that led him ot more killings.

Laura, Sutcliffe had a bike crash before the "voices" came to him and he had no medical help so I suppose that could be something to do with it. His (ex)wife is certainly bi-polar.

So more narcissitic in a way then ? Watched a programme about it a while back.

The most interesting one I saw was that clown killer John Wayne Gacy.

[Highland D]

So more narcissitic in a way then ? Watched a programme about it a while back.

The most interesting one I saw was that clown killer John Wayne Gacy.


Similar to Michael Jackson in my opinion.

He liked to bum young boys and keep them in his basement.

[Laura_25]

I'm still of the opinion that Benoit was fully aware of his actions, and his impending intentions, hence his cry for help. (The phonecalls)
If I was looking at this from a Criminal Psychologists point of view, that's the first thing I'd be considering.

[Psychoticmonkey]

I've read that one, er, Psycho. :o

Was quite aware of that when posting about psychopaths a few minutes ago - not really a username for every occasion...

and it's the best one. I'm actually reading Barbara Jones' Voices From An Evil God as it's about his time in Broadmoor. I'm reading it on the tube in the morning and getting very odd looks.

I'm interested in all this as he made the late seventies hellish for women. He never killed in Liverpool although his hoaxer threatened to do so.

I'm very interested in the hoaxer... Very hard to tell whether he had any genuine remorse for his actions when he was caught, which is staggering. He seemed desperate to become infamous but essentially, he has some significant responsibility for Sutcliffe's later kills.

[Laura_25]

Was quite aware of that when posting about psychopaths a few minutes ago - not really a username for every occasion...



I'm very interested in the hoaxer... Very hard to tell whether he had any genuine remorse for his actions when he was caught, which is staggering. He seemed desperate to become infamous but essentially, he has some significant responsibility for Sutcliffe's later kills.

He had a great deal of responsibility for Sutcliffe's later killings, due to the fact that Police genuinely believed they had their man, so ploughed all their resources into that line of enquiry, allowing Sutcliffe to literally get away with murder.

[Psychoticmonkey]

Do you reckon OB is the killer (Claire comes out of her coma;) )

Apparently Clare will wake up from the coma, and OB will immediately threaten to kill her. He will then be arrested for attempted murder. It's all very clever - Warren has an alibi, but that would mean revealing that he had sex with that girl engaged to Russ. I've been ill for the last couple of days, so spent a while in a braindead stupour watching the last few episodes.

Why would anyone want to live in that village? The death rate's higher than the end of Hamlet...

[The Prince]

He had a great deal of responsibility for Sutcliffe's later killings, due to the fact that Police genuinely believed they had their man, so ploughed all their resources into that line of enquiry, allowing Sutcliffe to literally get away with murder.

Amusingly, well, more grotesque than amusing I suppose, Sutcliffe has written to John Humble and berated him for the tape. "You could have saved all those women, John." Er, so could you.

Humble is now an alcoholic and can't live with his crime. Sutcliffe, meanwhile, is annoyed that he's called the Ripper as he only "ripped" one of his victims.

[Laura_25]

Amusingly, well, more grotesque than amusing I suppose, Sutcliffe has written to John Humble and berated him for the tape. "You could have saved all those women, John." Er, so could you.

Humble is now an alcoholic and can't live with his crime. Sutcliffe, meanwhile, is annoyed that he's called the Ripper as he only "ripped" one of his victims.

I heard about that, unreal to think he "blamed" someone else for not saving his later victims.

[AntonioLFC08]

Amazing, you go out for a few hours and the thread growns to 11 pages.

As it is, the police are treating it as double homicide-suicide.

I can't excuse what he has done, if it's true. It aint cause it's a 7 year old kid, it's just the fact that it's two lives and his own.

They were saying on FOX News earlier that he could have been on a bad withdrawal trip from steroids which completely fucks up your mind and what you're doing.

Find it a bit odd though that a bible was placed next to each of the bodies.

[Psychoticmonkey]

I heard about that, unreal to think he "blamed" someone else for not saving his later victims.

Although it would suggest he is aware that what he did was wrong... Just wasn't at the time. Hardly excuses what he did but remorse is the most he can do.

[Laura_25]

Although it would suggest he is aware that what he did was wrong... Just wasn't at the time. Hardly excuses what he did but remorse is the most he can do.

It tends to be people with Psychopathic tendancies that are unaware of wrong doing persay, due to their lack of empathy. (It's not that they think think they have done nothing wrong necessarily, just that they genuinely don't seem to care) However, a lot of research has shown that Psychopaths delight in their crimes and actually enjoy it, hence the lack of remorse, be it sexual gratification or otherwise.

I was looking at one case, where an American Pyschopath (His name escapes me) who was on death row talked about his crimes with absolute glee. He described how he raped and murdered a four year old girl, and then jumped on her body on a cliffside in "triumph" when he had finished. When questioned about his crimes, he talked completely openly about it, without a single hint of emotion.

I found the entire thing beyond revulsion, and utterly, utterly disturbing.

[Psychoticmonkey]

It tends to be people with Psychopathic tendancies that are unaware of wrong doing persay, due to their lack of empathy. (It's not that they think think they have done nothing wrong necessarily, just that they genuinely don't seem to care) However, a lot of research has shown that Psychopaths delight in their crimes and actually enjoy it, hence the lack of remorse, be it sexual gratification or otherwise.

I was looking at one case, where an American Pyschopath (His name escapes me) who was on death row talked about his crimes with absolute glee. He described how he raped and murdered a four year old girl, and then jumped on her body on a cliffside in "triumph" when he had finished. When questioned about his crimes, he talked completely openly about it, without a single hint of emotion.

I found the entire thing beyond revulsion, and utterly, utterly disturbing.

Does not that suggest that the core of being human is some sort of animalistic violence, but is only 'covered up' by empathy?

This reminds me of doing Philosophy in my A Levels and the problem of evil. Can't really remember it all now, but there is an argument that there's no such thing as evil, but just an absence of good. Those who commit acts that are apparently evil are lacking that which makes them good. The problem with that being it means we are all essentially 'evil', but the more 'good' we have, the less likely it is we'll commit horrible acts of violence.

I find it difficult to think that it's only empathy that's stopping me behaving like that.

[MarbleRed]

Was the phrase 'pre-medicated evil' a pun...or what?

[mccoydromintee]

I watched Wrestling when I was younger, very rarely now. I do think it is unfair to label it with the stupid genralisation "half naked men, prancing in shorts" line. These men train as hard as anyone else in any sport and it is not hugging in the middle of the ring. The moves alot of these guys pull off are exceptional and highly skilled. For example Benoit was considered the best technical wrestler around, obviously he could not do the moves without his opponents assistant but still required a hig degree of skill and timing.

Soccer is getting as poncy as wrestling if that is the view you take, diving at any hint of physical force and all that stupid play acting is in a similar vein.

For what it is worth I have lost all respect for Beniot but can not bring myself to hate him.

[CODE RED]

One of the best technical wrestlers out there.

Why is it many of these wrestlers meet a horrific end?

[mccoydromintee]

WWE.com has released the text messages sent by Chris Benoit to WWE employees (no names were given) on early Sunday morning between the hours of 3:51 and 3:58 am.

Here is what the text messages said:

Text Message 1 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:53 a.m.) - Chris Benoit’s cell phone
“My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane, Fayetteville Georgia. 30215”

Text Message 2 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:53 a.m.) - Chris Benoit’s cell phone
“The dogs are in the enclosed pool area. Garage side door is open”

Text Message 3 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:54 a.m.) - Nancy Benoit’s cell phone
“My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane.
Fayetteville Georgia. 30215”

Text Message 4 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:55 a.m.) - Nancy Benoit’s cell phone
“My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane.
Fayetteville Georgia. 30215"

Text Message 5 to one co-worker (sent 6/24 at 3:58 a.m.) - Nancy Benoit’s cell phone
“My address is 130 Green Meadow Lane. Fayetteville Georgia. 30215”

[CODE RED]

Does not that suggest that the core of being human is some sort of animalistic violence, but is only 'covered up' by empathy?

This reminds me of doing Philosophy in my A Levels and the problem of evil. Can't really remember it all now, but there is an argument that there's no such thing as evil, but just an absence of good. Those who commit acts that are apparently evil are lacking that which makes them good. The problem with that being it means we are all essentially 'evil', but the more 'good' we have, the less likely it is we'll commit horrible acts of violence.

I find it difficult to think that it's only empathy that's stopping me behaving like that.

As do I. Empathy itself is very compleX and the human mind, many say, will never be fully understood. Therefore, acts like these will never be fully understood.

[Laura_25]

Does not that suggest that the core of being human is some sort of animalistic violence, but is only 'covered up' by empathy?

This reminds me of doing Philosophy in my A Levels and the problem of evil. Can't really remember it all now, but there is an argument that there's no such thing as evil, but just an absence of good. Those who commit acts that are apparently evil are lacking that which makes them good. The problem with that being it means we are all essentially 'evil', but the more 'good' we have, the less likely it is we'll commit horrible acts of violence.

I find it difficult to think that it's only empathy that's stopping me behaving like that.

No I absolutely agree that it cannot solely be categorised in that way. The reason I explained about the empathical side of things was as way of explanation for the lack of understanding of emotion that you asked me about.
Looking at one of my clinical books which has a little on the subject, it states that the clinical diagnosis of Pyschopathy can be defined by lack of empathy, poor impulse control and the tendancy to manipulate.
There's probably a load more I could write about it, but I'd be here all day! :)

Was the phrase 'pre-medicated evil' a pun...or what?

No, it should have said 'Pre-meditated', and is a typo. Not really the sort of subject matter I'd make a pun about.

I watched Wrestling when I was younger, very rarely now. I do think it is unfair to label it with the stupid genralisation "half naked men, prancing in shorts" line. These men train as hard as anyone else in any sport and it is not hugging in the middle of the ring. The moves alot of these guys pull off are exceptional and highly skilled. For example Benoit was considered the best technical wrestler around, obviously he could not do the moves without his opponents assistant but still required a hig degree of skill and timing.

Soccer is getting as poncy as wrestling if that is the view you take, diving at any hint of physical force and all that stupid play acting is in a similar vein.

For what it is worth I have lost all respect for Beniot but can not bring myself to hate him.

Sorry, but we are really going to have to agree to disagree, as I think it's utter, utter shite. Shite beyond compare, in my humble opinion. :)

In relation to Benoit, I was asked earlier if I would take the same stance in relation to his crimes had it been Jamie Carragher. And I shall reiterate here. Yes, I absolutely would.

[mccoydromintee]

And rightly so, if you said it was ok for Carra to do it ( I hate using his name in relation to this) you would be a hypocrite.

Ok we will agree to disagree on the skill part but if you looked at some of the videos on youtube, I think you will disagree. It is the same thing as people who dismiss football as a bunch of men in shorts kicking leather around for ninety minutes. Obviously those who watch it know there is alot more to it than that.

I said a prayer for the Benoit Family including Chris, just like I did for the family suicide / murder in Donegal last month. He was not a cold calculated murder, but as someone pointed out already - our society is too fast to hide behind mental instability.

[Laura_25]

And rightly so, if you said it was ok for Carra to do it ( I hate using his name in relation to this) you would be a hypocrite.

Ok we will agree to disagree on the skill part but if you looked at some of the videos on youtube, I think you will disagree. It is the same thing as people who dismiss football as a bunch of men in shorts kicking leather around for ninety minutes. Obviously those who watch it know there is alot more to it than that.

I said a prayer for the Benoit Family including Chris, just like I did for the family suicide / murder in Donegal last month. He was not a cold calculated murder, but as someone pointed out already - our society is too fast to hide behind mental instability.

I would honestly rather watch paint dry. I can understand 15 year old boys liking it, for some sort of "entertainment" value. But grown men? Nope sorry, I just don't see ANY possible attraction. That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it. :D

The reasons for his actions are yet to be thoroughly investigated, and it's all too easy to say he was suffering from some sort of mental illness such as Schizophrenia or similar, and he wasn't in control of his actions. To have made the alleged calls/texts that he did suggests some level of awareness.
There is also the possibility as also mentioned previously, of it being a steroid related incident. But, whatever the reasons for his actions, he's still murdered his wife and a 7 year old boy.

[Laura_25]

And rightly so, if you said it was ok for Carra to do it ( I hate using his name in relation to this) you would be a hypocrite.
Ok we will agree to disagree on the skill part but if you looked at some of the videos on youtube, I think you will disagree. It is the same thing as people who dismiss football as a bunch of men in shorts kicking leather around for ninety minutes. Obviously those who watch it know there is alot more to it than that.

I said a prayer for the Benoit Family including Chris, just like I did for the family suicide / murder in Donegal last month. He was not a cold calculated murder, but as someone pointed out already - our society is too fast to hide behind mental instability.

I think that's a bit of daft observation to be fair mate, as there are no cirumstances in which I would consider it to be "ok" to do it.

[Seth7724]

I would honestly rather watch paint dry. I can understand 15 year old boys liking it, for some sort of "entertainment" value. But grown men? Nope sorry, I just don't see ANY possible attraction. That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it. :D

.

:o Was that aimed at me

[Laura_25]

:o Was that aimed at me

Ha it wasn't actually Seth, but rest assured, as you get older, you'll grow out of your interest in Wrestling, else the girlies will run a mile. ;) :p

[RedRich]

Ha it wasn't actually Seth, but rest assured, as you get older, you'll grow out of your interest in Wrestling, else the girlies will run a mile. ;) :p

Dammit! Thats where I've been going wrong! :o

*Hastily hides certain DVDs* (No not those sort of DVDs before anyone starts :) )









Not really, the last time I watched it was Wrestlemania VII. Honest :o

[Seth7724]

Ha it wasn't actually Seth, but rest assured, as you get older, you'll grow out of your interest in Wrestling, else the girlies will run a mile. ;) :p

Oi! I grown out of it already, as I say, I watch it for the comedy now Dream team has finished!!! haha!

I don't have to tell anyone anyway:D

[Laura_25]

Dammit! Thats where I've been going wrong! :o

*Hastily hides certain DVDs* (No not those sort of DVDs before anyone starts :) )









Not really, the last time I watched it was Wrestlemania VII. Honest :o

I remember when I was about 18 going around to a lads house for dinner and seeing he had a load of Wrestling videos, and being utterly horrified!! :D

[Ducatiboy749]

When I were a lad, t'was all about......

[mccoydromintee]

Did not mean it like that Laura, was just defending your stance of answering the question put to you would you have any sympathy if it was Carragher.

I watch it for the women, honest! It Trish Stratus still bouncing around.

[Seth7724]

Did not mean it like that Laura, was just defending your stance of answering the question put to you would you have any sympathy if it was Carragher.

I watch it for the women, honest! It Trish Stratus still bouncing around.

She has gone:*(

[RedRich]

I remember when I was about 18 going around to a lads house for dinner and seeing he had a load of Wrestling videos, and being utterly horrified!! :D

I had a similar feeling when I went back to a gal's place (for dinner ;) ) and she still had Ant & Dec posters up :eek:

She was in her mid-twenties! Oh dear...

[Laura_25]

When I were a lad, t'was all about......

Oh lovely, just what I wanted to see when eating lunch.

Did not mean it like that Laura, was just defending your stance of answering the question put to you would you have any sympathy if it was Carragher.

I watch it for the women, honest! It Trish Stratus still bouncing around.

Wrestling = a load of arse.

Worse still.....body builders, with a special mention to female ones. How vile can one look? Saw a load of them at "muscle beach" when I was in California.

And as for that strongest man nonsense..who honestly wants to see people lugging a bloody great tyre around! And the bastards put it on at Xmas....puts me right off my Turkey let me tell you!! :mad:

[Laura_25]

I had a similar feeling when I went back to a gal's place (for dinner :rolleyes: ) and she still had Ant & Dec posters up :eek:

She was in her mid-twenties! Oh dear...

Posters in her twenties? Oh dear God.

[mccoydromintee]

http://www.wwe.com/superstars/divas/

Not too muscly there. ;)

[Laura_25]

http://www.wwe.com/superstars/divas/

Not too muscly there. ;)

AS IF I would consider looking at a wrestling website! I'd sooner look at website about Tractors. (Only just, but still)

[Ducatiboy749]

up your saturday afternoon's before the A-Team came on.....

[Laura_25]

up your saturday afternoon's before the A-Team came on.....

Kindly fuck off with your ridiculously ugly men pictures!!! :eek:

[Ricky_Blowdeal]

up your saturday afternoon's before the A-Team came on.....

i'd put my money on the one on the left.

[AshyP]

I watch it for the hot women. Thats my story and im sticking to it!

[Ducatiboy749]

i'd put my money on the one on the left.

Hehe, shit odds though.

[Laura_25]

I watch it for the hot women. Thats my story and im sticking to it!

This gets worse... an admission from a man in his 30's.

:rolleyes:

[AshyP]

This gets worse... an admission from a man in his 30's.

:rolleyes:

Yeah but i have a mental age of a teenager, so surely i get a pass ;)

Edit: and am only just in my 30's...cheeky

[Laura_25]

Yeah but i have a mental age of a teenager, so surely i get a pass ;)

Edit: and am only just in my 30's...cheeky

No-one over the age of 20 should have a pass to like wrestling in my opinion... why? Because it's SHITE!!! :D

Yeah, you don't look a day over 35 either!! ;) :p

[AshyP]

No-one over the age of 20 should have a pass to like wrestling in my opinion... why? Because it's SHITE!!! :D

Yeah, you don't look a day over 35 either!! ;) :p

You can go off people you know :*(

[Laura_25]

You can go off people you know :*(

I know you'll never go off me though, so I'm none too worried. :p

Get the rest of this thread read, not ALL of it's about Wrestling, thank God.

[red raw]

Those diagnosed as psychopathic also tend to have above average intelligence.

:eek:

Can someone please delete the thread that has my IQ in it!

OR I WILL KILL YOU!





:p

[Mozzaretti]

I know you'll never go off me though, so I'm none too worried. :p

Get the rest of this thread read, not ALL of it's about Wrestling, thank God.

There's only one way to settle this: Fiiiiiiiiiiiiigggggghhhhhhhhhhhhtttttttttt

Easeh easeh easeh easeh

Sh1t Wool disaster area - See Wrestling does have a lot to answer for. Now will they ever have one called - the phantom jester :o

[Laura_25]

:eek:

Can someone please delete the thread that has my IQ in it!

OR I WILL KILL YOU!





:p

If you tell me you like Wrestling to add to the above... I'M GOING TO BAN YOU!

[red raw]

If you tell me you like Wrestling to add to the above... I'M GOING TO BAN YOU!

No, don't follow the stage-comedy-drama that is wrestling. I do know who Benoit was but I'm just well informed that way... like I know who Female Gymnasts are without actually watching the sport.

[Laura_25]

No, don't follow the stage-comedy-drama that is wrestling. I do know who Benoit was but I'm just well informed that way... like I know who Female Gymnasts are without actually watching the sport.

You have won yourself a reprieve. I'd not have believed you were a married man had you admitted to liking it!

;)

[redmonkey]

It's easy to dismiss wrestling, but you have to remember a lot of us grew up
watching it in just the same way as we were brought up on football. I'll always remain a Liverpool fan, and it's also hard to lose the fondness for WWF/WWE if you first watched it as a kid. My dad took me to shows in Ellesmore Port and part of me will always have a love for the fun storylines and the skill of the performers. It can be crass, childish and is, of course, fake, but like footy it can be an escape from reality for a couple of hours.

I haven't seen watched it for a couple of years as I've not Sky, but I'll always have great respect for the wrestlers involved. Benoit was one of the very best. When I was young I loved watching Bret Hart (a wrestler with a similar style) and many of today's kid will have Benoit merchandise and DVDs that they've cherished. The fact that an entertainer, a hero to many, is actually a killer is pretty hard to accept. It's easy to get all moral and say everything great he has done, all of his positive achievements should be forgotten, but it isn't that simple to divide between who you thought a man was and the grim reality that's staring us in the face now.

Wrestlers work a very grueling schedule, working in constant pain and travelling all around the world without any off season. Most of them will take steroids and other drugs to keep their spot in the company and get through each match they have. That kind of lifestyle seems to be closely linked with tragedy. The average lifespan of a wrestler seems to be 40 to 50.

I do think the drugs, the gruelling schedule and the deaths of close friends have had a very big effect on Benoit's state of mind. We all know how powerful the brain is, so how do we cope when it malfunctions badly? That's not absolving him of blame, clearly he took the choice using a pretty calculating method. But we don't live in a world of simple right and wrong. There are a lot of complex reasons why he has found himself in such a mental state. The rumours of bibles being placed by the bodies and the strange text messages sent to friends seem to indicate that he wanted to take his family to heaven. That's how far removed from normality he was. The cold reality seems to be that he was a murderer but it's still hard to accept a guy looked up to by so many, with seemingly everything to live for, could end up doing something like that.

[red raw]

You have won yourself a reprieve. I'd not have believed you were a married man had you admitted to liking it!

;)

Not believed? Even with all those fine examples of being whipped! :o

[The Prince]

It's easy to dismiss wrestling,

That's the option I'm taking.

[redmonkey]

Damn. If only you'd told me this before I typed the other 200 words. :*(

[Laura_25]

Not believed? Even with all those fine examples of being whipped! :o

I'd say the whipping was purely fabrication should you have been a fan of Wrestling. :p

That's the option I'm taking.

:D :D :D

[Seth7724]

Damn. If only you'd told me this before I typed the other 200 words. :*(

200? I only had to do 400words for my German coursework, and thats way more!!

[AshyP]

There's only one way to settle this: Fiiiiiiiiiiiiigggggghhhhhhhhhhhhtttttttttt

Easeh easeh easeh easeh
Sh1t Wool disaster area - See Wrestling does have a lot to answer for. Now will they ever have one called - the phantom jester :o

No contest really mate. I mean she's a girl ;)

You have won yourself a reprieve. I'd not have believed you were a married man had you admitted to liking it!

;)

I'm married, what you trying to say???

[Laura_25]

No contest really mate. I mean she's a girl ;)



I'm married, what you trying to say???

That your wife has to be unware of your "interest" else you'd be divorced?

[AshyP]

That your wife has to be unware of your "interest" else you'd be divorced?

She sent me the email telling me that he was dead.....she was gutted, she really liked Benoit. Her favourite is The Undertaker :p

[Ricky_Blowdeal]

The rumours of bibles being placed by the bodies and the strange text messages sent to friends seem to indicate that he wanted to take his family to heaven. That's how far removed from normality he was.

Don't know if that was intentionally meant to be funny but it made me laugh.

[Laura_25]

She sent me the email telling me that he was dead.....she was gutted, she really liked Benoit. Her favourite is The Undertaker :p

She's after something, a holiday in the sun would be worth an email like that!

[AshyP]

She's after something, a holiday in the sun would be worth an email like that!

She has me as a husband, she doesnt need anything else :cool:

[Laura_25]

She has me as a husband, she doesnt need anything else :cool:

I assure you she does, a husband that isn't disguised as Peter Pan!

[red raw]

I assure you she does, a husband that isn't disguised as Peter Pan!

LMFAO@That.com :D :D :D

[Jimmys Chippy]

According to CNN, he killed his son using a choke hold. RIP Chris.

[Seth7724]

According to CNN, he killed his son using a choke hold. RIP Chris.

:eek: That is not a very nice thing to say


Edit: Eeek I thought you were joking!

[Laura_25]

According to CNN, he killed his son using a choke hold. RIP Chris.

Once again, one is made aware of the attraction of a "sport" like wrestling.

[AntonioLFC08]

Ha it wasn't actually Seth, but rest assured, as you get older, you'll grow out of your interest in Wrestling, else the girlies will run a mile. ;) :p

I am 20 and still watch wrestling religiously - I'm going to two live shows in October :o:cool:

[AntonioLFC08]

It's easy to dismiss wrestling, but you have to remember a lot of us grew up
watching it in just the same way as we were brought up on football. I'll always remain a Liverpool fan, and it's also hard to lose the fondness for WWF/WWE if you first watched it as a kid. My dad took me to shows in Ellesmore Port and part of me will always have a love for the fun storylines and the skill of the performers. It can be crass, childish and is, of course, fake, but like footy it can be an escape from reality for a couple of hours.

I haven't seen watched it for a couple of years as I've not Sky, but I'll always have great respect for the wrestlers involved. Benoit was one of the very best. When I was young I loved watching Bret Hart (a wrestler with a similar style) and many of today's kid will have Benoit merchandise and DVDs that they've cherished. The fact that an entertainer, a hero to many, is actually a killer is pretty hard to accept. It's easy to get all moral and say everything great he has done, all of his positive achievements should be forgotten, but it isn't that simple to divide between who you thought a man was and the grim reality that's staring us in the face now.

Wrestlers work a very grueling schedule, working in constant pain and travelling all around the world without any off season. Most of them will take steroids and other drugs to keep their spot in the company and get through each match they have. That kind of lifestyle seems to be closely linked with tragedy. The average lifespan of a wrestler seems to be 40 to 50.

I do think the drugs, the gruelling schedule and the deaths of close friends have had a very big effect on Benoit's state of mind. We all know how powerful the brain is, so how do we cope when it malfunctions badly? That's not absolving him of blame, clearly he took the choice using a pretty calculating method. But we don't live in a world of simple right and wrong. There are a lot of complex reasons why he has found himself in such a mental state. The rumours of bibles being placed by the bodies and the strange text messages sent to friends seem to indicate that he wanted to take his family to heaven. That's how far removed from normality he was. The cold reality seems to be that he was a murderer but it's still hard to accept a guy looked up to by so many, with seemingly everything to live for, could end up doing something like that.

I think the in the last 10 years, 65 wrestlers have died under the age of 45.

And on the subject of his best friends dying, since 1999 he's lost Owen Hart, Brian Pillman, British Bulldog, Eddie Guerrero and Mike Awesome.

Suppose if it was the steroid withdrawal it's just pushed him over the edge and he's completely lost it.

Plus the fact that McMahon dragged Eddie's name through the dirt when he used it in storylines that everyone was uncomfortable with.

[Rafa El Gaffer]

It's easy to dismiss wrestling, but you have to remember a lot of us grew up
watching it in just the same way as we were brought up on football. I'll always remain a Liverpool fan, and it's also hard to lose the fondness for WWF/WWE if you first watched it as a kid. My dad took me to shows in Ellesmore Port and part of me will always have a love for the fun storylines and the skill of the performers. It can be crass, childish and is, of course, fake, but like footy it can be an escape from reality for a couple of hours.

I haven't seen watched it for a couple of years as I've not Sky, but I'll always have great respect for the wrestlers involved. Benoit was one of the very best. When I was young I loved watching Bret Hart (a wrestler with a similar style) and many of today's kid will have Benoit merchandise and DVDs that they've cherished. The fact that an entertainer, a hero to many, is actually a killer is pretty hard to accept. It's easy to get all moral and say everything great he has done, all of his positive achievements should be forgotten, but it isn't that simple to divide between who you thought a man was and the grim reality that's staring us in the face now.

Wrestlers work a very grueling schedule, working in constant pain and travelling all around the world without any off season. Most of them will take steroids and other drugs to keep their spot in the company and get through each match they have. That kind of lifestyle seems to be closely linked with tragedy. The average lifespan of a wrestler seems to be 40 to 50.

I do think the drugs, the gruelling schedule and the deaths of close friends have had a very big effect on Benoit's state of mind. We all know how powerful the brain is, so how do we cope when it malfunctions badly? That's not absolving him of blame, clearly he took the choice using a pretty calculating method. But we don't live in a world of simple right and wrong. There are a lot of complex reasons why he has found himself in such a mental state. The rumours of bibles being placed by the bodies and the strange text messages sent to friends seem to indicate that he wanted to take his family to heaven. That's how far removed from normality he was. The cold reality seems to be that he was a murderer but it's still hard to accept a guy looked up to by so many, with seemingly everything to live for, could end up doing something like that.

Good post that.

Talking just about wrestling I haven't watched it for a good while now. I have the old "not as good as in my day" attitude towards it and to be honest the matches bore me to tears. With all that said I recently went to my mates house and his kid Brother was watching it and they were talking about Vinces "death". What a bad time to have a story like this.

His brother (my mate) then told me that thousands of tributes had been pouring in after the "death" of Vincent Kennedy McMahon (sorry old habits die hard). The reason the business survived is because Vince is a genius and he knows what the people want, that and the fact he had some VERY talented entertainers around at the time when he needed them most.

Vince is well known for being a nice guy and he looks after all his employees. Alright yes he did shit on Bret Heart but that was out of fear for the business and really he was doing the right thing not only by himself but by those whose lives his decisions had such a baring on.

I didn't like the Owen Heart tribute or the Eddie Guerrero tribute. You could tell that some people really didn't give a shit but in some cases they really did. Jeff Jarret for example was gutted and he really couldn't deal with all the fake emotion.

As you say WWF (as it was in my day) is something we grew up with and for this reason if Wrestlemania is on then i'll watch it, if Royal Rumble is on i'll watch it. Other than that though I really don't care all that much and to be honest it will never be the same as the 90's when Rock and Austin were in their prime.

[AntonioLFC08]

From what I've read, when everyone found out Benoit was dead most people backstage were in tears and couldn't get themselves together and Vince took control of it all and had to try and get them to collect their bearings.

He also went out live on air after being "blown up" and told us everything straight. I've seen people have a go at Vince for his fake death storyline, but he wasn't to know what Benoit was going to do.

My respect for McMahon has gone up.

[redforever]

He killed his child, Daniel over the weekend, along with his wife. And killed himself Monday morning.

Tragic.

RIP Chris Benoit, one of the best in the business

Seth you are a complete TOOL :rolleyes:

[redforever]

One thing that a lot of people are overlooking is that Benoit was suffering serious mental health issues.

He had suffered from severe depression for a long time (he was on suicide watch for a while) and despised the "eddiesploitation" of the death of his best friend by the company that he worked for and the business that he loved.

Whilst I in no way condone the murder of any child, I think people here would be less likely to take the piss or condemn him completely without knowing the facts.

He should have layed off the Steroids then as anyone with mental health problems and is taking anabolic steroids are a ticking time bomb ready to explode at anytime. I feel no sympathy for him whatsoever. I feel for his wife and child and the other people affected by this lunatics murderous behaviour.

[AntonioLFC08]

He should have layed off the Steroids then as anyone with mental health problems and is taking anabolic steroids are a ticking time bomb ready to explode at anytime. I feel no sympathy for him whatsoever. I feel for his wife and child and the other people affected by this lunatics murderous behaviour.

I'd imagine that's easier said than done, to be fair.

[redforever]

I'd imagine that's easier said than done, to be fair.

Why is that mate? there is no addiction to steroids. I am sorry mate but there is no excuse for his behaviour. he is the architect of his own demise unfortunately he destroyed the lives of two other innocent people purely as a consequence of his stupidity. Unforgivable.

[AntonioLFC08]

I have never done steroids but I'd imagine all drugs have an addiction.

If he was on the steroids, which he could have been for many years then decided to come off them for whatever reason, the withdrawal symptoms are not going to be good, as we've all seen.

Wrestling is a tough business in which you're required to be at your fittest level for much of the year for gruelling travelling and shows.

Oh and also, Benoit passed a drugs test on April 10th (I think) but I dunno what relevance that would have had.

[Mozzaretti]

I have never done steroids but I'd imagine all drugs have an addiction.

If he was on the steroids, which he could have been for many years then decided to come off them for whatever reason, the withdrawal symptoms are not going to be good, as we've all seen.

Wrestling is a tough business in which you're required to be at your fittest level for much of the year for gruelling travelling and shows.
Oh and also, Benoit passed a drugs test on April 10th (I think) but I dunno what relevance that would have had.


You've gotta be sh1tting me. I mean really.

Oh and as for the drug test thing. THe fact it's called WWE (entertainment - from memory) might lead you to believe it's as much a sport as cock fighting. (do you see what I did there) Therefore the regulations mean jack.


Absolute tosh the lot of it - overego'd badly acted numbnuts the lot of 'em.

[redforever]

I have never done steroids but I'd imagine all drugs have an addiction.

If he was on the steroids, which he could have been for many years then decided to come off them for whatever reason, the withdrawal symptoms are not going to be good, as we've all seen.

Wrestling is a tough business in which you're required to be at your fittest level for much of the year for gruelling travelling and shows.

Oh and also, Benoit passed a drugs test on April 10th (I think) but I dunno what relevance that would have had.

Your winding me up mate. Wrestling is not tough. It is a joke.
Without going into details i know quite a lot about steroids and i have seen first hand the effect they have. There is no physical addiction to them whatsoever.
I am not going to criticise you for enjoying watching wrsetling but you need to realise it is not a sport. The result is pre determined and the moves are choreographed.
There is no relevance whatsoever to him passing a drugs test on April 10th. I wouldn't hold much credibility to the testing in wrestling as if it was stringent there would be nobody left to participate in it. I would hardly call being paid shed loads of money and traveling first class grueling mate. Come on mate. Just out of interest how old are you mate ?

[MooeyLFC]

I have never done steroids but I'd imagine all drugs have an addiction.

If he was on the steroids, which he could have been for many years then decided to come off them for whatever reason, the withdrawal symptoms are not going to be good, as we've all seen.
Wrestling is a tough business in which you're required to be at your fittest level for much of the year for gruelling travelling and shows.

Oh and also, Benoit passed a drugs test on April 10th (I think) but I dunno what relevance that would have had.


I was on steriods for 4 and half years mate and they are not addictive, and there is no withdrawal like you say in your comment, you may feel like your training isn't as good when your not on the gear but in no way are you like a nutter who's craving more and more steriods and then decides to kill someone.

[BigJCofBootle]

People's reactions to drugs are individual. One person's experience with drugs doesn't run parallel to another person's experience. Therefore none of us are any under position to judge. Not that I condone what happened nor will I pass it off as okay because he was on drugs.

To be honest, I was quite gutted about the whole thing. Chris Benoit was quite big around the time I watched wrestling when I was younger and he'll be missed from the sport.

RIP all of them

[The Prince]

I'm sticking with my point.

Have sympathy with Benoit then have sympathy with Sutcliffe. Both mass murderers with mental issues.

[RedRich]

I'm sticking with my point.

Have sympathy with Benoit then have sympathy with Sutcliffe. Both mass murderers with mental issues.

Looking at it like that, I have to agree. The difference being that this Benoit fellow was a well-loved entertainer (apparently) beforehand. But he took his wife and child's lives away before taking his own.

Sutcliffe's circumstances were different but also resulted in the loss of innocent life. I personally don't believe there are any justifications for that. Not steroids, not anything. I bet we all on here have been 'close to the edge' at times in our lives but I'm pretty confident none of us have done anything so horrendous.

[AntonioLFC08]

You've gotta be sh1tting me. I mean really.

Oh and as for the drug test thing. THe fact it's called WWE (entertainment - from memory) might lead you to believe it's as much a sport as cock fighting. (do you see what I did there) Therefore the regulations mean jack.


Absolute tosh the lot of it - overego'd badly acted numbnuts the lot of 'em.

Shitting you on what?

The point is the bigger you are in wrestling the better chance you have of "making it."

Steroid testing and wrestling not being a sport have no connection at all.

[AntonioLFC08]

Your winding me up mate. Wrestling is not tough. It is a joke.
Without going into details i know quite a lot about steroids and i have seen first hand the effect they have. There is no physical addiction to them whatsoever.
I am not going to criticise you for enjoying watching wrsetling but you need to realise it is not a sport. The result is pre determined and the moves are choreographed.
There is no relevance whatsoever to him passing a drugs test on April 10th. I wouldn't hold much credibility to the testing in wrestling as if it was stringent there would be nobody left to participate in it. I would hardly call being paid shed loads of money and traveling first class grueling mate. Come on mate. Just out of interest how old are you mate ?

It is tough - it takes years of training to get into shape and take the moves properly.

Don't get me wrong though, I know it's all pre-determined and they're all best mates backstage :p

I mentioned him passing the drugs test cause doctors said if he was just coming off steroids it could have messed his mind up.

I've read stories of their travelling, yeah they do get paid shit loads but they're still on the road for a good 300 days of the year - don't forget they're in a new state every week and often do tours of Italy, Germany, Mexico, Japan etc..

And I am 20 - why?

[AntonioLFC08]

I was on steriods for 4 and half years mate and they are not addictive, and there is no withdrawal like you say in your comment, you may feel like your training isn't as good when your not on the gear but in no way are you like a nutter who's craving more and more steriods and then decides to kill someone.

Surely all drugs effect people differently though?

It's just come out that Benoit's doctor who prescribed him all the stuff he had was struck off before for dodgy dealings and writing the wrong stuff. :rolleyes:

[JP Vegas]

The media over here are saying Benoit's wikipedia page had something mentioning Benoit's wife's death 14 hour's before the police found the bodies...finding link...here it is, from cnn.com

Story Highlights
• Web page about wrestler updated to mention wife's death before bodies found
• Entry made by someone with IP address registered in Stamford, Connecticut
• Officials raid office of a doctor who prescribed testosterone to Benoit
• Police: Wrestler strangled wife, suffocated his 7-year-old son, hanged himself
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ATLANTA, Georgia (AP) -- Investigators are looking into who altered pro wrestler Chris Benoit's Wikipedia entry to mention his wife's death hours before authorities discovered the bodies of the couple and their 7-year-old son.

Benoit's Wikipedia entry was altered early Monday to say that the wrestler had missed a match two days earlier because of his wife's death.

A Wikipedia official, Cary Bass, said Thursday that the entry was made by someone using an Internet protocol address registered in Stamford, Connecticut, where World Wrestling Entertainment is based.

An IP address, a unique series of numbers carried by every machine connected to the Internet, does not necessarily have to be broadcast from where it is registered. The bodies were found in Benoit's home in suburban Atlanta, Georgia, and it's not known where the posting was sent from, Bass said.

Benoit strangled his wife and son during the weekend, placing Bibles next to their bodies, before hanging himself on the cable of a weight-machine in his home, authorities said. No motive was offered for the killings, which were discovered Monday.

[AntonioLFC08]

Apparently the address that posted on Wikipedia about Nancy Benoit was by a hoaxer in Australia so the 14 hour thing was just down to time difference and irrelevant to the case.

[JP Vegas]

Apparently the address that posted on Wikipedia about Nancy Benoit was by a hoaxer in Australia so the 14 hour thing was just down to time difference and irrelevant to the case.

Sorry mate, you got the wrong info...it was actually a fan who resides in the same town as the WWE headquaters in Stamford, Connecticut....just a weird coincidence supposedly.


Benoit Wikipedia post complete 'coincidence,' user says
Published: Saturday, June 30, 2007

A Wikipedia user says it was a complete coincidence that they reported the death of pro wrestler Chris Benoit's wife more than 14 hours before the entire family was found dead.

The haunting entry came to light this week, adding another twist to the grisly double-murder/suicide in which Benoit killed his wife, Nancy, his seven-year-old, and then hanged himself at their Atlanta-area home.

The Internet Protocol, or IP, address of the computer that posted the entry was traced to Stamford, Conn. - where the headquarters of Benoit's employer, World Wrestling Entertainment, is located.

The entry said the Montreal-born wrestling star Benoit had skipped a WWE pay-per-view last Sunday event due to the death of his wife.

However, on Friday, someone claiming to be the same user called the prescient post nothing but an "incredible coincidence."

"I was reading rumors and speculation about this matter online, and one of them included that his wife may have passed away, and I did the wrong thing by posting it on wikipedia to spite there being no evidence," the user wrote on Wikipedia, an online encyclopedia that lets users edit stories anonymously.

"I am deeply sorry about this, and I was just as shocked as everyone when I heard that this actually would happen in real life."

Wikinews confirmed the IP address of the post was the same as the earlier entry, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported on its website.

While the user confirmed they live in Stamford, they said they had no connection whatsoever to the WWE or Benoit's family.

A spokeswoman for Wikimedia Foundation, Sandra Ordonez, told the Journal-Constitution the IP address connected to the individual has a history of editing wrestling-related articles on Wikipedia.

[AntonioLFC08]

I have heard a few stories on the Wikipedia thing now so I don't really know which to believe any more.

[AntonioLFC08]

This is also the latest news I think :-

Just finished reading this week's (first Observer) and boy is it fascinating.

Some interesting points:

-Dave confirmed he used a form of the Crippler Crossface on Daniel. This is interesting since Bryan was adamant that the story was bullshit. Apparently investigators found marks on the boys arm and face that they didn't understand and upon watching a tape of a Benoit match and seeing the move it made sense. They just said it was a "choke" as to not further sensationalize an already sensationalized story.

-Dave said Bryan was closer to Benoit (he found his writing hilarious) then he was and that Dave hardly ever talked to Chris (while Bryan [in the new F4W newsletter] seemed to indicate semi regular contact). Thought that was interesting as we rib Bryan about getting all his sources through Dave but I never thought he'd have more access to someone like Benoit then Dave.

-Benoit got a prescription for the anti-depressant Xanax at the doctor's visit on Friday.

-Benoit started going downhill after Eddy died because he lost the one guy who he could confide in and shared his problems with. Apparently close friends always knew Benoit had the same problems as Eddy (pills, etc.) and suggested Benoit seriously needed to see a therapist but no one suggested it since he wasn't the type to be open to that sort of thing.

-Apparently the death of Johnny Grunge hit Benoit even harder then Eddy since they were neighbors and him and Nancy fighting was somewhat common and he'd be the one to come over and defuse situations and make Chris laugh. After he died, Chris didn't have that buffer when things got out of control.

-Chris and Nancy had recently separated for a period of time, and Dave received a change of address form for an apartment different then their house (I believe Bryan mentioned he got a different address too).

-Chris recently opened up a new life insurance claim naming his ex-wife and his older 2 kids as the beneficiaries and refused to include Nancy or Daniel.

-When there were rumors of him leaving for TNA, Dave asked him about it and Chris was paranoid thinking Dave had inside info that WWE was going to release him. He apparently may have thought ECW was a demotion and the next step would be out the door. He was reportedly obsessed with establishing himself at the HHH/HBK level. He had grown increasingly paranoid that someone was out to get him and didn't let Nancy leave the house at night or Daniel to play outside and would take different routes from the airport home each time in case he was being followed.

-Nancy confided to a friend in wrestling days before the murders that she feared for her life and the friend told her to go take Daniel to her parents place in Florida (as she had done before when Chris became violent) but she didn't this time. Apparently she had a lockbox at the bank with notes indicating if something happened to her, it was Chris.

-Theory is that she told him she was leaving him for good and taking Daniel and that's when he snapped on her. Loved his son and when she filed for divorce all he wanted was joint custody. Theory is he killed Daniel because in his mind he couldn't bare to let him be alone without his parents and in his condition so it was a "mercy killing".

-Someone in WWE informed Dave before the RAW show that Chris had killed them, but others in the company were unaware but at least someone high up knew before the tribute show was put on the air.

-Dave says he can't write a proper obit/career retrospect and doesn't know if he ever will.

That's all I can think of for now. Pretty heavy stuff. Sounds like Chris always had a violent side, and that all the deaths of close friends combined with heavier drug use really caused him to lose his mind. Sad, sad end to such a fabulous career.

[AllezLesRouges]

From what I've read, when everyone found out Benoit was dead most people backstage were in tears and couldn't get themselves together and Vince took control of it all and had to try and get them to collect their bearings.

He also went out live on air after being "blown up" and told us everything straight. I've seen people have a go at Vince for his fake death storyline, but he wasn't to know what Benoit was going to do.

My respect for McMahon has gone up.



Yeah, nice one Vince.

[Mozzaretti]

I have heard a few stories on the Wikipedia thing now so I don't really know which to believe any more.

The fact that anyone with an opinion can spout stuff on wiki doesn't make you think it may not be accurate.


I suspect you need either a:

reality check or
a bit of a slap round the head or
Both

[CODE RED]

SORRY, I forgot to mention earlier what an evil a#sehole Benoit was for killing his family like that. Mental illness or no mental illness. And that's coming from a person who's brother is "violently" mentally ill.

Thank you.

[dubster33]

Christ almighty....this guy took the lives of a child and a woman.

Regardless of his condition or relation to these people, no one, I mean NO ONE has the right to play God with anyones life regardless of how they are feeling.

If this guy wasnt in the public eye we probably wouldnt have had one RIP for him.

I cannot respect anyone who plays God like he did.

[Ducatiboy749]

Christ almighty....this guy took the lives of a child and a woman.

Regardless of his condition or relation to these people, no one, I mean NO ONE has the right to play God with anyones life regardless of how they are feeling.

If this guy wasnt in the public eye we probably wouldnt have had one RIP for him.

I cannot respect anyone who plays God like he did.

I cannot respect anyone, particularly grown men, who abuse steroids whilst wearing womens leotards.

[dubster33]

I cannot respect anyone, particularly grown men, who abuse steroids whilst wearing womens leotards.

And thats the final reason not to feel sorry for him :D

Well pointed out!