the GAA thread

[mccoydromintee]

Championship time, lets get it going. Predicitons?

[hill16]

from a dublin point of view i dont expect much we are in with a good shout of leinster but thats it really. we start off with either meath or kildare and given that they will have a tough game behind them we could be beaten. i am told that we are testing out some sort of training programso so as the players peak,fitness wise, mid summer

[Biscan the man]

Its hard to look past Kerry again although the two in a row aint too easy to acheive. It should be another very open championship with no clear favourites, my money is on a northie team simply because the Kingdom might not have the hunger and Mayo and Dublin are bottlers of the highest degree.

If Longford get their defence in order watch out :cool:

[steviegerrard1]

Championship time, lets get it going. Predicitons?

Birmingham, Sunderland and Saints to go up

[ger_ryan22]

Dublin! Come on Sherlock!!!! hehehe Is he still playing?

[ferg_g]

If they're injury free - Tyrone.

Anyone know if they are injury free? McCoy as a closet Tyrone fan you can tell me ;)

[Patrick]

If they're injury free - Tyrone.

Anyone know if they are injury free? McCoy as a closet Tyrone fan you can tell me ;)

Mayo.............................................. .............


yeah right

[mccoydromintee]

Haha Ferg G. They are certainly not injury free. Lotsof wee tweaks to the likes of Mulligan and ONeill, but should be back for Fermanagh or match after. McGuigan is the big problem, his eg break has caused more porblems, the boy will never be as good which is a shame because he was Tyrones' best player in my eyes.

The winner of this years All Ireland will be through to qualifiers, that I guarantee.

[Biscan the man]

Massive game on tomorrow, 82,000 for a first round leinster championship match is savage. Since when did Wicklow and Louth have such a big following? ;)

Cant see Meath winning myself, hope we get a few big hit (a sneaky digs) in on the Dubs at least. Come on the Royals!!!!!

[mccoydromintee]

My brother is heading down to it should be a good atmosphere, I actually fance Meath tro run them very very close cant see there being more than two points in the final score.

[ferg_g]

How good were Tyrone yesterday? Only saw the highlights of game as can't get RTE over here.

[Devski]

It was a red hand romp apparently: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/the_championship/6761545.stm

I'd like to see Tyrone do it again....obviously.

My old school, the Omagh CBS won the Hogan Cup this year.

[ferg_g]

Funnily enough my old school won the Hogan cup this year as well :eek:

[DaveRedMan]

The jacks are back :o

The heart says Dublin , the head says Kerry, the computer says nooooo

[mccoydromintee]

To be honest I still don't think Dublin are near Kerry or Tyrones standard. I would be very confident Armagh are better than Dublin too but with a bit of momentum anything is possible.

Was at a club match so missed Tyrone they sounded awesome, did see the punch on Dooher, great strike.

So who do we fancy now?

[Devski]

Funnily enough my old school won the Hogan cup this year as well :eek:

Oh you do hah?

I think I might have an idea who you are....would you have done your A-levels in 1988/89?

[ferg_g]

I was in second year back then. Think Butcher Nolan was just leaving to be repalced by that other bastard - Croker was it?

[Devski]

Ah, I thought you were older than me but you're younger.

Bro McCrohan was Nolan's replacement. The old adage that the Brothers are the paramilitary wing of the Catholic church - never has 1 man gone out of his way to prove it!

Do you remeber the PLO (Pupils' Liberation Organisation) in about 89 or 90?
Put pictures of his head with a tooled-up soldier's body all over the school, also his head & a topless model's body. They took it too far when they blew up the staff bogs on the 1st floor though - expulsions all round! :D

Think Roddy Tierney is head now - he should get the school out of the dark ages alright.

[ferg_g]

I remember that. Titless Teresa gave us all a lecture about the danger of running with the wrong crowd. She must have thought the PLO were recruiting second years.


Brannigan is now the head master.

If you're born 1971 you were probably in the same year as Darren Barton, Danny Colton. Trying to think of names here..

[Devski]

Used to have Brannigan for GCSE Chemistry - quite liked the guy too. He'll be a good head. Wonder why they've had 2 non-Christian Brother heads?? I thought they had to be CBs before.

Anyhoo - yes, Barton was in my year, I was pretty good mates with him, Conor McGrath, Dermot Coules, those boys.

[mccoydromintee]

So both Championships are putting last years to shame, although the football last year was as bad as I have seen.

Some cracking matches particuarly in Hurling. Hard to pick winners this year, seems more open.

Hopes : Armagh and Waterford

Believe : Tyrone and Waterford (I think this could be the year)

[ferg_g]

Going to be a quiet summer in the Orchard county :D

Oh, my aching sides!

[mccoydromintee]

I wouldn't laugh too soon Ferg G, remeber Laois and Sligo over the last few years?

As for yesterday, the better team won. Nine points from a supposed All Ireland contender speaks volumes. I see big Joe is crying about the ref again, I actually thought he was ok bar one crucial incident at the end.

Alot of retirements expected and hopefully Joe is one, but still alot of talent coming through. Good luck to Derry.

[ferg_g]

Any Dubs on here? Just wondering how you get over a battering like that?

[ger_ryan22]

Any Dubs on here? Just wondering how you get over a battering like that?

Easy, you turn over to the Liverpool match safe in the knowledge that Tyrone were miles better on the day and Dublin, the Leinster champions, were given a wake up call. These things happen. I never lost any sleep to be honest.

[fiordearg]

Delighted to see the Dubs get a whooping once more at their beloved Croker Park. One All-Ireland in 25 years ye are the most over-hyped bunch in the GAA

Waterford were savage against Tipp in the hurling semi. Hope they do Kilkenny in the final.

Hopefully the Rebels will do the Kingdom this week, but I somehow doubt it.

[ger_ryan22]

Delighted to see the Dubs get a whooping once more at their beloved Croker Park. One All-Ireland in 25 years ye are the most over-hyped bunch in the GAA

Waterford were savage against Tipp in the hurling semi. Hope they do Kilkenny in the final.

Hopefully the Rebels will do the Kingdom this week, but I somehow doubt it.

I'd rather be a Dub than a........

I won't finish that. :p

[fiordearg]

Ah ye were convinced it was your year Ger. But every year ye are convinced....:p

If Cork lose to Kerry this year in Croke Park i'll be sick. After last year's debacle it is redemption time!

Btw what do you say to a Dub in Croke Park on All-ireland final day - "A coke and a mars bar there please"

[Mick R]

I was at a wedding in Westport the weekend before last and there was a game on that they were all watching - think it may have been Kerry and Galway. It was only the second game I've ever watched (1st being some final or cup or something about 3 or 4 weeks ago between (I think) Antrim and somebody else) but I enjoyed it.

What does GAA stand for? Does that cover the football and the hurling?

Can anyone explain the rules of the football to me? I see a score of 1-15 for example and I think they've scored one goal and got the ball over the bar 15 (?) times - is that right, a point each time the ball goes over the bar?

I only realised the other day that I can get an Irish TV channel so I can occasionally get to watch a game.

What's the difference between the hurling and the football (apart from the stick and the little ball and that hurling appears to be like football for lunatics)?

So many questions...

[fiordearg]

GAA stands for Gaelic Athletic Association which governs the sports of Gaelic Football and Hurling and also handball.

Founded in 1884.

A goal = 3 points
A score over the bar = 1 point

Football - you can catch the ball, kick it from your hands, fist the ball, kick it from the ground. there are no corners or throws from the side line. they have sideline kicks for line balls and "45s" which are kicks from a field position if the opposing team knocks the ball over the end line.

Hurling - is over 2000 years old as a sport but the modern game really evolved from the 1940s. it is very skillful. if the ball goes out over the side line it is called a sideline cut. this is very skillful and great players can put the ball over the bar from such a skill. You may strike the ball on the ground, or in the air. Unlike hockey, you may pick up the ball with your hurley and carry it for not more than four steps in the hand. After those steps you may bounce the ball on the hurley and back to the hand, but you are forbidden to catch the ball more than twice. To get around this, one of the skills is running with the ball balanced on the hurley. To score, you put the ball over the crossbar with the hurley or under the crossbar and into the net by the hurley for a goal, the latter being the equivalent of three points.

Goalkeepers may not be physically challenged whilst inside their own small parallelogram, but players may harass them into playing a bad pass, or block an attempted pass.

Teams are allowed a maximum of three substitutes in a game. Players may switch positions on the field of play as much as they wish but this is usually on the instructions of team officials.

Officials for a game comprise of a referee, two linesmen (to indicate when the ball leaves the field of play at the side and to mark '65'' free kicks and 4 umpires (to signal scores, assist the referee in controlling the games, and to assist linesmen in positioning ''65' frees).

A goal is signalled by raising a green flag, placed to the left of the goal. A point is signalled by raising a white flag, placed to the right of goal. A '45'/'65' is signalled by the umpire raising his/her outside arm. A 'square ball', when a player scores having arrived in the 'square' prior to receiving the ball, is signalled by pointing at the small parallelogram.

[Devski]

GAA = Gaelic Athletic Association I think Mick (in English anyway). It is the body that governs Gaelic games so Football & Hurling EDIT - oh yes & handball which is different to the one you may have seen in the Olympics!

You're right about the scoring in football, same goes for hurling too. You'd think it'd be easy with a ball that small & a goal that big but it's not.

The two games are similar in terms of number of players on the pitch, positions & scoring. But in football you use the ball in your hands & kick with feet. In hurling you use the stick & ball, you can catch the ball in your hand & you can kick it as well if you want to. You can't pick the ball off the ground in either game and fairly physical challenges on opposing players are actively encouraged ;)

[ferg_g]

I was at a wedding in Westport the weekend before last and there was a game on that they were all watching - think it may have been Kerry and Galway. It was only the second game I've ever watched (1st being some final or cup or something about 3 or 4 weeks ago between (I think) Antrim and somebody else) but I enjoyed it.

What does GAA stand for? Does that cover the football and the hurling?
The Gaelic Athletic Association or the Grab All Association.

Can anyone explain the rules of the football to me? I see a score of 1-15 for example and I think they've scored one goal and got the ball over the bar 15 (?) times - is that right, a point each time the ball goes over the bar?
Correct the goal is worth three points and everytime the ball goes over the bar it's one point.

I only realised the other day that I can get an Irish TV channel so I can occasionally get to watch a game.

What's the difference between the hurling and the football (apart from the stick and the little ball and that hurling appears to be like football for lunatics)? Not a lot really.

So many questions...


Next week we'll look at compromise rules where the best in gaelic football take on the aussies in a hybrid game. Usually involving a fair bit violence. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA4U8zEMmLM

[damolfctillidie]

kerry and kilkenny a bit obviuos.
come on the kingdom

[Mick R]

GAA stands for Gaelic Athletic Association which governs the sports of Gaelic Football and Hurling and also handball.

Founded in 1884.

A goal = 3 points
A score over the bar = 1 point

Football - you can catch the ball, kick it from your hands, fist the ball, kick it from the ground. there are no corners or throws from the side line. they have sideline kicks for line balls and "45s" which are kicks from a field position if the opposing team knocks the ball over the end line.

Hurling - is over 2000 years old as a sport but the modern game really evolved from the 1940s. it is very skillful. if the ball goes out over the side line it is called a sideline cut. this is very skillful and great players can put the ball over the bar from such a skill. You may strike the ball on the ground, or in the air. Unlike hockey, you may pick up the ball with your hurley and carry it for not more than four steps in the hand. After those steps you may bounce the ball on the hurley and back to the hand, but you are forbidden to catch the ball more than twice. To get around this, one of the skills is running with the ball balanced on the hurley. To score, you put the ball over the crossbar with the hurley or under the crossbar and into the net by the hurley for a goal, the latter being the equivalent of three points.

Goalkeepers may not be physically challenged whilst inside their own small parallelogram, but players may harass them into playing a bad pass, or block an attempted pass.

Teams are allowed a maximum of three substitutes in a game. Players may switch positions on the field of play as much as they wish but this is usually on the instructions of team officials.

Officials for a game comprise of a referee, two linesmen (to indicate when the ball leaves the field of play at the side and to mark '65'' free kicks and 4 umpires (to signal scores, assist the referee in controlling the games, and to assist linesmen in positioning ''65' frees).

A goal is signalled by raising a green flag, placed to the left of the goal. A point is signalled by raising a white flag, placed to the right of goal. A '45'/'65' is signalled by the umpire raising his/her outside arm. A 'square ball', when a player scores having arrived in the 'square' prior to receiving the ball, is signalled by pointing at the small parallelogram.

Cheers... :)

One other thing - the bit I've highlighted in bold - is there a similar thing in the football? I notice some of them running with the football in their hands, then dropping it to their feet and kicking it back up into their hands - similar to the above rule in hurling?

[fiordearg]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZvXU-6rVKw

[Mick R]

You can't pick the ball off the ground in either game and fairly physical challenges on opposing players are actively encouraged ;)

Interesting, I didn't realise that you couldn't pick the ball up.

And the encouragement of fairly physical challenges sounds good :)

Mind you, outside the Premier League you tend to get a bit more of the physical stuff, eh? I was at Tranmere v Forest last season and I kept thinking the ref had forgotten his whistle. Great stuff :D

Cheers Ferg, too... All interesting stuff.

[fiordearg]

you can't pick the ball from the ground in both games. you either must be in the air to catch it or you raise the sliothar with your hurley in hurling or raise the ball with your foot in football. in football you can bounce the ball once but then kick it to yourself and then bounce again. a lot of players find it hard so teams opt for pass and move style or long kicking.

[Devski]

Cheers... :)

One other thing - the bit I've highlighted in bold - is there a similar thing in the football? I notice some of them running with the football in their hands, then dropping it to their feet and kicking it back up into their hands - similar to the above rule in hurling?

Yep - you can also bounce the ball on the ground, but not twice in a row. You can play the ball off your feet & back to the hands as often as you like.

[Mick R]

Is John Fenton the Irish Johnny Metgod then?? I could imagine Alan Partridge commentating on a goal like that :D

So if I was playing Gaelic Football, and I had the ball in my hands, could I not just run the length of the pitch with it? Is there a limit to the number of steps you can take without kicking or bouncing it?

Sorry everyone, it must be like teaching a classroom of infants ;)

[ferg_g]

Four steps mate. Then a solo or a bounce but you can't bounce the ball two times in a row - that's a free kick to the oppposition.

[ger_ryan22]

Barney Rock - Yer only man! ;)

[hill16]

Four steps mate. Then a solo or a bounce but you can't bounce the ball two times in a row - that's a free kick to the oppposition.

unless your sean cavanagh!
but too answer your earlier question of how we will get over. was a strange day for a lot of fans . the passing of ronnie drew ,who was dub first and fore most , meant there was a horrible feeling in the ground. when the match started ( a week later then it should have due to our own county boards lack of balls and gaa greed) it did not take long for things to go wrong losing brogan was a disaster . plus every breaking ball just went for tyrone( who in fairness still had to get the scores from them).
but i will ask you this (dont know what county you are from) with 2 minutes left the hill erupted with " come on you boys in blue" we were well beaten by then second best yet what other cset of fans would still be singing there county on like that?
we will be back next year soo the gaa can breath easy there cash cow will keep them ticking over still
o and too the lad who want to know what too say to a dub on all ireland day he can look out at the 83 team and marvel at 12 men that won an all ireland!

[fiordearg]

that's right 25 years ago. 1 since then. not even regulars in finals not to mind winning them.

dublin population 1.3 million yet regularly beaten by counties with not even a fraction of the pick. plus ye don't even have the dual code argument. ye put everything into football.

[ger_ryan22]

that's right 25 years ago. 1 since then. not even regulars in finals not to mind winning them.

dublin population 1.3 million yet regularly beaten by counties with not even a fraction of the pick. plus ye don't even have the dual code argument. ye put everything into football.

fiordearg that is because Dubliners have more things to do that play gaelic all day. That's all the muck savages do! It's their life!! No wonder they're better at it than we are. Still, Leinster champions will do for me.

[Mick R]

Apologies for being a day-tripping OOT wool amidst all your serious discussions, chaps... :D

What are the best websites for the football and hurling?

I'm trying to get a handle on the different leagues/competitions/teams etc...

[Mick R]

Also, I can get BBC N Ireland on TV with my Sky package - does anybody know whether RTE is available over here?

[ger_ryan22]

Also, I can get BBC N Ireland on TV with my Sky package - does anybody know whether RTE is available over here?

There is a way mick. I normally go to an Irish Centre in Manchester to watch matches when they're not on our TV and they have RTE and TV3 in there, I don't know how they do it, whether it's illegal but it's definitely through satellite. Check out this site for info...

http://www.satellites.co.uk/satellite/b-sky-b-digital-28-2-east-general/5464-rte-uk-can-you-help.html

[ger_ryan22]

Apologies for being a day-tripping OOT wool amidst all your serious discussions, chaps... :D

What are the best websites for the football and hurling?

I'm trying to get a handle on the different leagues/competitions/teams etc...

www.gaa.ie
www.rte.ie

They're normally the best one's for info.

[Mick R]

Splendid, cheers Ger.

Just looking at the scoring - is a score of 1-15 superior to a score of 2-11?
Was just reading how a goal is the equivalent of 3 points, so the two scores above would equate to 18 and 17?

And also, for the purposes of the leagues, there is no distinction between the North and the Republic?

[ger_ryan22]

Splendid, cheers Ger.

Just looking at the scoring - is a score of 1-15 superior to a score of 2-11?
Was just reading how a goal is the equivalent of 3 points, so the two scores above would equate to 18 and 17?

And also, for the purposes of the leagues, there is no distinction between the North and the Republic?

Exactly, just add the scores up! 1-15 to 2-12 is a draw and so on.

There's no distinction really between the North and the Republic in terms of GAA, we play as one island. Same with the Rugby but not with soccer which I've never understood. Northern Ireland is not a country. :confused:

[Mick R]

is a score of 1-15 superior to a score of 2-11?
Was just reading how a goal is the equivalent of 3 points, so the two scores above would equate to 18 and 17?

Just worked that out looking at the table - Mayo:
F A +/-
5-92 10-77 0

[fiordearg]

surely RTE is on the Sky package?

Setanta Sports show GAA also Mick

[ger_ryan22]

surely RTE is on the Sky package?

Yes, in the Republic, not the UK but it's not impossible apparently.

[RedRafa]

Sorry to any Dubs out there but couldn't resist:)
4608

[ger_ryan22]

It's Arnotts so that makes no sense at all.

Dumb culchies.

[ferg_g]

There is a block in England on RTE 0- I've had the frequencies and tuned it in. You get the channel and whats on but a blue screen

You can get the games on this sometimes http://www.justin.tv

[hill16]

that's right 25 years ago. 1 since then. not even regulars in finals not to mind winning them.

dublin population 1.3 million yet regularly beaten by counties with not even a fraction of the pick. plus ye don't even have the dual code argument. ye put everything into football.

well firstly i can see you hate dublin, so regardless of how the topics are answered by me they will not be good enough..... but hear goes
you showed your lack of knowledge on dublin gaa matters by saying all goes in to football , whereas, all that goes in now and has done for the last 15 years in development is split 50/50
now as regards your arguement of 1.3 million living in dublin.... how many moved to dublin and want nothing to doo with gaa in dublin?
how many are non-nationals?
the schools in dublin are having less and less to do with sports and gaa in general.... is that a problem where you are from? where is that by the way?
and on average dublin only win one all ireland every decade bar the 70s
can you imagine how boring your life would be without us to watch!

[fiordearg]

winding you up mate. i don't hate dublin in fact i generally like the dub supporters even if they are deluded :D

yeah i know the dubs have put a lot into hurling in fairness and there is a lot of coaching going on. it would be great if they made a breakthrough but not as long as KK are there. i think making an all-ireland Q-F would be an achievement.

as for your footballers i think you are four/five players short of a winning team.

[fiordearg]

btw hill i am from cork we generally bring enough entertainment between both codes!

GAA aside, what's happening with Cork City FC is very sad. Hopefully it will be sorted but the Eircom League will even be worse than ever if they fold.

[Mick R]

I realise that I may receive differing responses here ;) but which teams are the ones to avoid (i.e. the Manchester United/Chelsea)?

[ger_ryan22]

I realise that I may receive differing responses here ;) but which teams are the ones to avoid (i.e. the Manchester United/Chelsea)?

Avoid Bohemians, Shamrock Rovers and Shelbourne like the plague because they're all c*nts. :D No seriously that's my view because I grew up only a few miles from St pats so it's my duty to hate all other Dublin clubs (and Cork City ;)).

[lapland]

well firstly i can see you hate dublin, so regardless of how the topics are answered by me they will not be good enough..... but hear goes
you showed your lack of knowledge on dublin gaa matters by saying all goes in to football , whereas, all that goes in now and has done for the last 15 years in development is split 50/50
now as regards your arguement of 1.3 million living in dublin.... how many moved to dublin and want nothing to doo with gaa in dublin?
how many are non-nationals?
the schools in dublin are having less and less to do with sports and gaa in general.... is that a problem where you are from? where is that by the way?
and on average dublin only win one all ireland every decade bar the 70s
can you imagine how boring your life would be without us to watch!

Just Jason Sherlock :) (the twat)

[fiordearg]

I have always enjoyed a good game down Turner's Cross against teams like Bohs, Shels and St. Pats. Cork City are probably the best supported club and have a mini-Kop of their own called the Shed (mainly cause it used to look like one). Football has improved down the years, I have not gone in the Matthews era. The atmosphere can be good. Funnily enough most Cork City followers I know are Liverpool fans.

[ger_ryan22]

Just Jason Sherlock :) (the twat)

Excuse me, Legend!

[fiordearg]

Not near the legend of Sean Óg Ó hAilpin

[ferg_g]

Bloody hell - you give out legendary status very easy in Dublin.

Canavan - now that's a legend!

[ger_ryan22]

Bloody hell - you give out legendary status very easy in Dublin.

Canavan - now that's a legend!

That Peter Canavan!? He's alright. I think Sherlock has done pretty well to last over a decade in the Dublin side! You have to admit, he is a good player. Not the best, I know that but definitely one who'll be remembered!

[ferg_g]

Is he still playing? I haven't seen a live game of GAA for over a decade. Had tickets for Tyrones two All Irelands but let my mates have them as I hadn't been to a match all season.

[lapland]

That Peter Canavan!? He's alright. I think Sherlock has done pretty well to last over a decade in the Dublin side! You have to admit, he is a good player. Not the best, I know that but definitely one who'll be remembered!


Settle down Ger, he has been rubbish for years. Didnt get close to a ball last Saturday.
He "works" for a competing firm,i had the honour of meeting hiom several tiimes he really is an irksome little cunt in need of slapping

[fiordearg]

Legends of GAA over the last 18 years

DJ Carey
Henry Shefflin
Colm Cooper
Peter Canavan
Seán Óg Ó hAilpin
Jamesie O'Connor
Dara Ó Sé
Colm O'Rourke
Larry Tompkins
Pádraig Joyce
Kieran McGeeney

Sherlock does not belong to these legends of the GAA. He is a shite soccer player and an average to good GAA player. Don't believe the hype of the Evening Herald, the Sunday World or Darragh Moloney.

[fiordearg]

I forecast a Rebel win on Sunday.

[hill16]

Legends of GAA over the last 18 years

DJ Carey
Henry Shefflin
Colm Cooper
Peter Canavan
Seán Óg Ó hAilpin
Jamesie O'Connor
Dara Ó Sé
Colm O'Rourke
Larry Tompkins
Pádraig Joyce
Kieran McGeeney

Sherlock does not belong to these legends of the GAA. He is a shite soccer player and an average to good GAA player. Don't believe the hype of the Evening Herald, the Sunday World or Darragh Moloney.

hold your horse there pal.sherlock makes (will make) legend status in dublin gaa for many reason starting with having to get over the discrimination he got on the pitch in the early stages of his playing days.
when jason came into the dublin set up back in 94 dublin were missing a player to take them over the line in september he was that man, sorry boy.he was robbed of an all star that year too. with dublin then went in to a slump sherlock worked on his game built a good bit of muscle up and did not allow himself to be pushed of the ball as easily.
as regards his soccer skills i cant really comment on them seen him once .... but do you have any caps for your country?
the term legend is a difficult one to use as its all a matter of opinion for example ... geezer is a legend for his will to win and never giving up on armagh ...... unlike tompkins who swiched counties for glory if he had of drove kildare to victory like geezer at armagh then yes
as regards sean og a great player who sadly went down in my view after what he done v galway he could have seriously injured a man like that
other that that your list SHOULD have john o leary brian whelahan the dooleys micky linden martin storey paul curran graham gerathy

[hill16]

Settle down Ger, he has been rubbish for years. Didnt get close to a ball last Saturday.
He "works" for a competing firm,i had the honour of meeting hiom several tiimes he really is an irksome little cunt in need of slapping

so he is a better sale rep than you;)

[lapland]

so he is a better sale rep than you;)

Better looking admitedly - but only just:o

[RedRafa]

hold your horse there pal.sherlock makes (will make) legend status in dublin gaa for many reason starting with having to get over the discrimination he got on the pitch in the early stages of his playing days.
when jason came into the dublin set up back in 94 dublin were missing a player to take them over the line in september he was that man, sorry boy.he was robbed of an all star that year too. with dublin then went in to a slump sherlock worked on his game built a good bit of muscle up and did not allow himself to be pushed of the ball as easily.
as regards his soccer skills i cant really comment on them seen him once .... but do you have any caps for your country?
the term legend is a difficult one to use as its all a matter of opinion for example ... geezer is a legend for his will to win and never giving up on armagh ...... unlike tompkins who swiched counties for glory if he had of drove kildare to victory like geezer at armagh then yes
as regards sean og a great player who sadly went down in my view after what he done v galway he could have seriously injured a man like that
other that that your list SHOULD have john o leary brian whelahan the dooleys micky linden martin storey paul curran graham gerathy

Tompkins didn't turn his back on Kildare, he got shafted by them. Don't know the exact details but he was living in America and the Kildare county board paid for him to fly back to Ireland and play a match but wouldn't pay his fare to go back, he had to pay it himself. That was a good few years ago and he was seriously out of pocket. They fell out over that.
He's actually a Wicklow man.

Agree with your comments on Sherlock, he's done a lot for the game in Dublin and like Sean Og O' Hailpin he's had to contend with a lot of discrimination on the pitch in the past.

[hill16]

Tompkins didn't turn his back on Kildare, he got shafted by them. Don't know the exact details but he was living in America and the Kildare county board paid for him to fly back to Ireland and play a match but wouldn't pay his fare to go back, he had to pay it himself. That was a good few years ago and he was seriously out of pocket. They fell out over that.
He's actually a Wicklow man.

Agree with your comments on Sherlock, he's done a lot for the game in Dublin and like Sean Og O' Hailpin he's had to contend with a lot of discrimination on the pitch in the past.

no larry went to school in wicklow but he is from kildare. theres a bit more to it than not paying his fare back (lets just say it was a very pricy fare he wanted) but the "ground work" had already started for his move to cork. thats from lads who were living in the states at the time and very much in the know...
but anyway its kerry for me this week with there to be a huge dust up and a few to see the line

[RedRafa]

no larry went to school in wicklow but he is from kildare. theres a bit more to it than not paying his fare back (lets just say it was a very pricy fare he wanted) but the "ground work" had already started for his move to cork. thats from lads who were living in the states at the time and very much in the know...
but anyway its kerry for me this week with there to be a huge dust up and a few to see the line

Fair enough, I heard him being interviewed on Newstalk recently and they asked him about it, he did say he wasn't going to go into all the details. Evidently he left out a few important details.
I didn't realise that Cork had already started to make a move for him.

Yeah, it'll probably be Kerry alright, but I'll suffer the annual humiliation and go and support Cork anyway, God knows they will need the support. The footballers have always been the poor relations of Cork G.A.A. and I'd say Croke Park will do well to be half full on Sunday plus, Kerry only travel to finals.

[fiordearg]

i'd have gone if it was in Thurles but another trip to Dublin and shite traffic for hours?!?!? went to the double-header it was great and stayed up on the sunday night. but working tomorrow so just watch them on the box.

should all semis be played in Croker especially when the two teams involved are in the opposite ends of the country?? if you had 45,000 in Semple it would have a much better atmosphere than 45,000 in croke park.

as for Jayo. He's average. He's not ever been a great player for the Dubs for years. Would he get on the Kerry team no where near the level of the "Shtar" or the Gooch. The latter is 10 stone proof if your good enough you'll make it no matter what the size

[hill16]

i'd have gone if it was in Thurles but another trip to Dublin and shite traffic for hours?!?!? went to the double-header it was great and stayed up on the sunday night. but working tomorrow so just watch them on the box.

should all semis be played in Croker especially when the two teams involved are in the opposite ends of the country?? if you had 45,000 in Semple it would have a much better atmosphere than 45,000 in croke park.

as for Jayo. He's average. He's not ever been a great player for the Dubs for years. Would he get on the Kerry team no where near the level of the "Shtar" or the Gooch. The latter is 10 stone proof if your good enough you'll make it no matter what the size

if my county was playing a semi in outer mongolia i would be there
so if a player does not make the kerry team he can not be classed as great?
what does that say of cork hurlers who would not have a hope of makinfg the kilkenny team and i include sean og in that ?
jayo has been a great player for US from leaving mark o conner on his arse to goal in 95 to taking glenn ryan in his pomp for 6 points over two games there have been very few times that jayo has lets US down . you as a cork man dislike him and thats your choice but when was the last time a dub cared what a langer came out with?;)

[RedRafa]

if my county was playing a semi in outer mongolia i would be there
so if a player does not make the kerry team he can not be classed as great?
what does that say of cork hurlers who would not have a hope of makinfg the kilkenny team and i include sean og in that ?
jayo has been a great player for US from leaving mark o conner on his arse to goal in 95 to taking glenn ryan in his pomp for 6 points over two games there have been very few times that jayo has lets US down . you as a cork man dislike him and thats your choice but when was the last time a dub cared what a langer came out with?;)

I'm intrigued, you obviously have your own opinion, but what evidence do you base that on?

[Tobyshore]

What about Cork's footballers? (and I use the term lightly)
Very similar to LFV v 'Boro.....
All that running around most of the second half just to pull it out of the fire
at the death.....
Athough I'm sure Carra gets more shots on target per year than some of the muppets in red shirts yesterday.....

Pity there wasnt a smaller gap before they got the finger out....
Darragh O Se would have self-combusted on the sideline!

[hill16]

lot of talk that darragh will be back for the final but he must get two months for that a closed fist punch to the face off the ball!
i just think kilkenny from 1 -15 are and have been better and have been bar one game v cork..(aif 04).. but my point was just because of that it does not mean that cork have no great players

[fiordearg]

got tickets for replay this week outer mongolia. it's easy for the dubs saying the travel anywhere for their team as they rarely leave Croke Park. a double header is worth the same value at 45 euro. it helps the missus is from wexford so it's good value for both of us. :D

as for the rebels it was daylight robbery they salvaged anything. i'd still go up in hope on sunday rather than expectation.

[fiordearg]

if my county was playing a semi in outer mongolia i would be there
so if a player does not make the kerry team he can not be classed as great?
what does that say of cork hurlers who would not have a hope of makinfg the kilkenny team and i include sean og in that ?
jayo has been a great player for US from leaving mark o conner on his arse to goal in 95 to taking glenn ryan in his pomp for 6 points over two games there have been very few times that jayo has lets US down . you as a cork man dislike him and thats your choice but when was the last time a dub cared what a langer came out with?;)

i don't dislike him just think he is average. which he is

i think a lot of the hurlers would get on the kk team and vice versa. the hurlers are just really badly managed. gerald mccarthy has taken them backwards. swap managers (we get cody) and you'd get a different result.

[hill16]

got tickets for replay this week outer mongolia. it's easy for the dubs saying the travel anywhere for their team as they rarely leave Croke Park. a double header is worth the same value at 45 euro. it helps the missus is from wexford so it's good value for both of us. :D

as for the rebels it was daylight robbery they salvaged anything. i'd still go up in hope on sunday rather than expectation.

mmmmmmmm this years munster final?
2 for 1 ticket givaway and there was about 20 k at it
as regards the game at least dick turpin and the honour to wear a mask is all i will say.... o and aiden o mahoney is a maggot

[ferg_g]

McCoy is very quiet in all this. ;)

Who's favourite for Tyrone/Wexford? Must be Tyrone surely after battering the Dubs.

[mccoydromintee]

Apologies Ferg G, just noticed this thread has came alive.

Yeah it has to be Tyrone although it will be a tight one because, unlike Dublin, Ryan will have some tactical awareness and will crowd the defence. Tyronme should have about 4 to spare although that is what I thought when we went to play them and they shocked us, deservedly so.

I expect Kerry to make up for last week quite easily.

[fiordearg]

mmmmmmmm this years munster final?
2 for 1 ticket givaway and there was about 20 k at it
as regards the game at least dick turpin and the honour to wear a mask is all i will say.... o and aiden o mahoney is a maggot

i think the munster final has lost appeal to the fans as they are becoming accustomed to cork and kerry meeting each other at this stage at semi-finals.

i am sick of joe brolly dismissing cork. they are not good as kerry but who are? he keeps hinting or sometimes coming out with that cork are a bad team. luckily counihan is too sharp an operator to get sucked into his crap.
they have reached semis regularly and one all-ireland final. they lost to kerry in all those situations. it's no disgrace to lose to the best team.
his own county have done f'all in the championship in recent years maybe he should leave his ire for them.

[superpool]

Im just sick of Joe Brolly!

You guys say you were at the brothers in 88/89. Must know some of you!! Croky was a bastard, but wee John was the worst. Evil little prick!

[hill16]

Apologies Ferg G, just noticed this thread has came alive.

Yeah it has to be Tyrone although it will be a tight one because, unlike Dublin, Ryan will have some tactical awareness and will crowd the defence. Tyronme should have about 4 to spare although that is what I thought when we went to play them and they shocked us, deservedly so.

I expect Kerry to make up for last week quite easily.

his team were beaten by 23 points ... since then they beat 2 poor teams in down who goty worse as the year went on and an over the hill armagh team.... lets not hail a new heffo micko boylan kearnan harte type just yet

[hill16]

i think the munster final has lost appeal to the fans as they are becoming accustomed to cork and kerry meeting each other at this stage at semi-finals.

i am sick of joe brolly dismissing cork. they are not good as kerry but who are? he keeps hinting or sometimes coming out with that cork are a bad team. luckily counihan is too sharp an operator to get sucked into his crap.
they have reached semis regularly and one all-ireland final. they lost to kerry in all those situations. it's no disgrace to lose to the best team.
his own county have done f'all in the championship in recent years maybe he should leave his ire for them.

lets be honest cork have been poor this year . infact bar 35 minutes in the munster final and the last 5 last sunday they have been piss poor. and lets not forget en route to last years final they beat louth sligo and a over hyped meath....BUT credit has too be given to them for the never say die fight they have in them..

[mccoydromintee]

his team were beaten by 23 points ... since then they beat 2 poor teams in down who goty worse as the year went on and an over the hill armagh team.... lets not hail a new heffo micko boylan kearnan harte type just yet

And what would you desribe a Dublin team absolulety destroyed as?

[fiordearg]

lets be honest cork have been poor this year . infact bar 35 minutes in the munster final and the last 5 last sunday they have been piss poor. and lets not forget en route to last years final they beat louth sligo and a over hyped meath....BUT credit has too be given to them for the never say die fight they have in them..

they have been poor but who has been great all year?? wexford are in the semis after being annihilated in the leinster final. tyrone got knocked out in ulster and struggled til they wacked dublin. kerry were poor in the second half against cork in munster and let their eye off the ball last week.

the only GAA team that are unbelievable all the time are Kilkenny - footballers - they are bad 100% of the time. Of course I mean their excellent hurlers.

[hill16]

And what would you desribe a Dublin team absolulety destroyed as?

as the team that inflicted a 23 point drubbing on the team of who you claim have a tactical mastro in charge
and without trying too be smart why bring dublin in too it ? this post is about jason ryan and wexford

[lapland]

Ahh Hill 16....

They arrived 10 minutes late for their last match and left 15 minutes early


What value for money...

[hill16]

Ahh Hill 16....

They arrived 10 minutes late for their last match and left 15 minutes early


What value for money...

thats a good one think that up all by yourself?
in one way with dublin about too go in to a steep decline for a few years it will be good to see what will happen when we are getting knocked out after 2 games (as many are hoping)and the croke park big wigs see the money train come to a halt
you may not know that from 03 to 04 with dublin going out early in leinster the leinster councils profits were down a lot ... the 2 games againest meath in 07 earned the leinster council more then the years 03 and 04 combined
strange how you lot seem to only want to talk about dublin!
this weekend for me is kerry ( unless cork can get cussins going on the edge of the square) and tyrone with a few too spare. the minor game should be good too. the meath team do seam to have one big problem in that they tend to switch off for ten minutes in a game. againest us in parnell in that period we hit the crossbar and the ref gave one of the worst decisions i have ever seen when we had a 3 on one goal for the taking. they also did the same againest offaly in the leinster decider .when cruising they just stoped playing and in the end got a lucky point, from what should have been a offaly free on meaths 21. but they do have some nice players. but tyrone have been talked up as the team to beat at minor this year

[RedRafa]

thats a good one think that up all by yourself?

It's a fair point though.

One of the reasons that I don't like Dublin doing well is because of all the bandwagon supporters and the other reason is because the media hypes them up so much, and the likes of Vaughan as well.

The bandwagon thing isn't exclusive to the Dubs, we have them in Cork as well and it sickens me.
As I mentioned earlier, the footballers are the poor relation of Cork G.A.A., I support the hurlers as well.

Last Sunday, there were 35 000 at the match, Croke Park wasn't even half full and a good few thousand of the Cork crowd left before the end of the game.
There were plenty of Kerry people left early too but that was for different reasons.

I don't know why the two Cork lads in front of me were at the match last Sunday, when they came out with the comment "the number 12 should have passed that ball to the number 14" I shook my head in disbelief.
They left 5 mins before half time so that they wouldn't have to queue up for a pint and came back and unsettled everyone 5 mins into the second half.

I've witnessed the same shite at other counties matches as well.

I only go to 2 Liverpool matches a year so I'm obviously not anywhere near a regular at Anfield but I can see how why the regular match go'ers have hatred for the people they call wools.

[hill16]

It's a fair point though.

One of the reasons that I don't like Dublin doing well is because of all the bandwagon supporters and the other reason is because the media hypes them up so much, and the likes of Vaughan as well.

The bandwagon thing isn't exclusive to the Dubs, we have them in Cork as well and it sickens me.
As I mentioned earlier, the footballers are the poor relation of Cork G.A.A., I support the hurlers as well.

Last Sunday, there were 35 000 at the match, Croke Park wasn't even half full and a good few thousand of the Cork crowd left before the end of the game.
There were plenty of Kerry people left early too but that was for different reasons.

I don't know why the two Cork lads in front of me were at the match last Sunday, when they came out with the comment "the number 12 should have passed that ball to the number 14" I shook my head in disbelief.
They left 5 mins before half time so that they wouldn't have to queue up for a pint and came back and unsettled everyone 5 mins into the second half.

I've witnessed the same shite at other counties matches as well.

I only go to 2 Liverpool matches a year so I'm obviously not anywhere near a regular at Anfield but I can see how why the regular match go'ers have hatred for the people they call wools.

well who are worse the dublin bandwagon supporters who show up all summer (regardless of being 10 minutes late) or the bandwagon supporters who only appear for the final
if cork get to the final there will be a ticket shortage!
same with tyrone who only had about 5-6 thousand in omagh vwestmeath.... where did all there supporters go?
as regards the highlighted bit you cant really blame dublin on that we cant make the media write about anyone else... much the same as on this topic i ( a dub) seem to be the only one posting about the 2 semi finals this weekend where as most people want to post about dublin! go on to most non dublin gaa forums and there will be a thread just for dublin!
its of know benifit that the media follows dublin with it really only helping too motivate the other team
mark vaughan is well mark vaughan.from open play not much but a good free taker . i would see him in the same mould as setanta o halpin with some of his carry one in 03 yet he never got much slagging

[RedRafa]

well who are worse the dublin bandwagon supporters who show up all summer (regardless of being 10 minutes late) or the bandwagon supporters who only appear for the final
if cork get to the final there will be a ticket shortage!
same with tyrone who only had about 5-6 thousand in omagh vwestmeath.... where did all there supporters go?
as regards the highlighted bit you cant really blame dublin on that we cant make the media write about anyone else... much the same as on this topic i ( a dub) seem to be the only one posting about the 2 semi finals this weekend where as most people want to post about dublin! go on to most non dublin gaa forums and there will be a thread just for dublin!
its of know benifit that the media follows dublin with it really only helping too motivate the other team
mark vaughan is well mark vaughan.from open play not much but a good free taker . i would see him in the same mould as setanta o halpin with some of his carry one in 03 yet he never got much slagging

You have puzzled me yet again, how many times was Setanta O' Hailpin sent off for his county? and for his club in an All Ireland Club semi final when he threw a fist and bottled it yet again, when his club needed him?

I don't get the comparison.

[hill16]

You have puzzled me yet again, how many times was Setanta O' Hailpin sent off for his county? and for his club in an All Ireland Club semi final when he threw a fist and bottled it yet again, when his club needed him?

I don't get the comparison.
dont see where i have puzzled you before (other than wanting to talk about upcoming games) but how and ever
sorry i thought you were highlighting vaughan goading of darren rooney.
to my knowledge vaughan has only been sent off once for dublin( in league never championship) but yeah his sending off againest salthill was bore out of frustration which was still silly. my point of setanta is when he was there for cork he was often caught on camera giving his man a slap of a hurl but when it was returned he went down in a heap
its funny that you should bring up sending offs with dublin ..... kerry have had more players sent off this summer alone in summer football than dublin have had this century!
btw are you going to comment at all about this weekend or just add to the media hype of dublin that you dislike!

[RedRafa]

dont see where i have puzzled you before (other than wanting to talk about upcoming games) but how and ever
sorry i thought you were highlighting vaughan goading of darren rooney.
to my knowledge vaughan has only been sent off once for dublin( in league never championship) but yeah his sending off againest salthill was bore out of frustration which was still silly. my point of setanta is when he was there for cork he was often caught on camera giving his man a slap of a hurl but when it was returned he went down in a heap
its funny that you should bring up sending offs with dublin ..... kerry have had more players sent off this summer alone in summer football than dublin have had this century!
btw are you going to comment at all about this weekend or just add to the media hype of dublin that you dislike!

Dara O' Shea is a great footballer but is a dirty as fcuk, I've been saying it for years, he's being getting away with the high elbow for a long time and was targeted this year by Cork because they knew they'd get a reaction out of him.

I was at the Salthill match, that's why I commented on Vaughan and I'm sure he was sent off in more than one game for Dublin, maybe I'm wrong. Setanta never threw a dirty belt on any man, he just played the game.

As for this weekend, It's easy to say Kerry and Tyrone, without doubt they are the two best teams left (and Kerry have the best footballers in the country) and it would make for a great final.
The best footballers don't always win.

I hope to fcuk that Cork show more balls than last weekend and put it up to Kerry and I wouldn't be surprised if Cork win.

So, there you go, a Cork win, and you'll get great odds at the bookies.

[mccoydromintee]

as the team that inflicted a 23 point drubbing on the team of who you claim have a tactical mastro in charge
and without trying too be smart why bring dublin in too it ? this post is about jason ryan and wexford

And guess what there still in the Championshipo nopw and Dublin aren't, do you really think he cares about a pointless Leinster Final?If you are trying to belittle his achievement by saying Dublin beat them by 23 then I will belittle your Leinster win by saying Armagh hammered yous in the league - see where I am getting at? It has no correlation.

Wexford are in the semi while Dublin, like Armagh, are already out. Ryan, unlike Caffery, knows how to deal with Ulster teams and has show he is a lot more tactically aware than Dublin management.

By the way have Dublin sold out a game this year? 50k against Louth 72k against Wexforrd and 70 k against Tyrone?

[hill16]

And guess what there still in the Championshipo nopw and Dublin aren't, do you really think he cares about a pointless Leinster Final?If you are trying to belittle his achievement by saying Dublin beat them by 23 then I will belittle your Leinster win by saying Armagh hammered yous in the league - see where I am getting at? It has no correlation.

Wexford are in the semi while Dublin, like Armagh, are already out. Ryan, unlike Caffery, knows how to deal with Ulster teams and has show he is a lot more tactically aware than Dublin management.

By the way have Dublin sold out a game this year? 50k against Louth 72k against Wexforrd and 70 k against Tyrone?
well if they are not sold out its pretty close and have you asked how many the other counties brought?
firstly i am not knocking wexford in any way read back over what i said .with limricks defeat of meath it shows how strong they were .the only team of any force that they have played they were beaten by 23 points. there fitness was exposed in the last 20 minutes tyrone are even fitter than dublin on the back of beating meath a very poor laois an equally poor down and armagh that were lucky to win ulster( from a orange man i know) and whose best days are well gone you are claiming him to be a great manager! if he gets them to afinal he can lay claim to that
ryan has yet to come up againest the best that ulster have ... and take the orange shades off armagh get lucky this year) tyrone beat him twice as dublin manager no other ulster team did ( lets forget the league as summer football is all that is looked back on) mainly because he only faced derry and that was it
wexford in my view wont win . tyrone are far to streetwise for them they have better players they have a better bench and a manager that is proven over a number of years
have you any views on the game or do you wish to keep posting about the dubs???

[hill16]

Dara O' Shea is a great footballer but is a dirty as fcuk, I've been saying it for years, he's being getting away with the high elbow for a long time and was targeted this year by Cork because they knew they'd get a reaction out of him.

I was at the Salthill match, that's why I commented on Vaughan and I'm sure he was sent off in more than one game for Dublin, maybe I'm wrong. Setanta never threw a dirty belt on any man, he just played the game.

As for this weekend, It's easy to say Kerry and Tyrone, without doubt they are the two best teams left (and Kerry have the best footballers in the country) and it would make for a great final.
The best footballers don't always win.

I hope to fcuk that Cork show more balls than last weekend and put it up to Kerry and I wouldn't be surprised if Cork win.

So, there you go, a Cork win, and you'll get great odds at the bookies.

if vaughan was sent off more than once its no more than twice! if you get my drift it could have been an o byrne cup game in fairness to vaughan that was 3 years ago and he has "grown up"( a bit!)
i agree dara is a dirty player .... you always know he has done somthing when the ref is heading over to him and his man only for dara to offer a handshake to his marker!
for me its about getting cussins in to the game leave him on the edge of the square and send in good ball to him. cork will have someconfidence in that kerry have failed to beat them twice this year a fact that must puzzle the kingdom.
what would worry me from a cork point of view is the likes of declan o sullivan had a very quite game last weekand with the likes of eoin brosnan coming off the bench its still a tough ask even with dara missing
as with last week i expect a few to see the line

[mccoydromintee]

well if they are not sold out its pretty close and have you asked how many the other counties brought?
firstly i am not knocking wexford in any way read back over what i said .with limricks defeat of meath it shows how strong they were .the only team of any force that they have played they were beaten by 23 points. there fitness was exposed in the last 20 minutes tyrone are even fitter than dublin on the back of beating meath a very poor laois an equally poor down and armagh that were lucky to win ulster( from a orange man i know) and whose best days are well gone you are claiming him to be a great manager! if he gets them to afinal he can lay claim to that
ryan has yet to come up againest the best that ulster have ... and take the orange shades off armagh get lucky this year) tyrone beat him twice as dublin manager no other ulster team did ( lets forget the league as summer football is all that is looked back on) mainly because he only faced derry and that was it
wexford in my view wont win . tyrone are far to streetwise for them they have better players they have a better bench and a manager that is proven over a number of years
have you any views on the game or do you wish to keep posting about the dubs???


You have to be under 12 are you?And just tell me how Armagh were "lucky" to win Ulster?

I'll try and dissect that rant. Firstly the reason Dublin bring bigger crowds, and I appluad them for it, is because they have a vastly superior population.

Dublin were of no more force than Armagh or even Down for that matter. Wexford caved in the second half, simple as that. By your logic Down are a lot better than Dublin because they defeated Tyrone who hammered Dublin and Down got well beat by Armagh. See how relevant the Leinster Final is now?

Caffery wasd a failure, even you can't say he was a great manager can you?

If you can't see Ryan as the success story of the year you are seriously deluded.

[hill16]

You have to be under 12 are you?And just tell me how Armagh were "lucky" to win Ulster?

I'll try and dissect that rant. Firstly the reason Dublin bring bigger crowds, and I appluad them for it, is because they have a vastly superior population.

Dublin were of no more force than Armagh or even Down for that matter. Wexford caved in the second half, simple as that. By your logic Down are a lot better than Dublin because they defeated Tyrone who hammered Dublin and Down got well beat by Armagh. See how relevant the Leinster Final is now?

Caffery wasd a failure, even you can't say he was a great manager can you?

If you can't see Ryan as the success story of the year you are seriously deluded.

never said he was not a success but you have him talked in to a bracket that he aint in yet
armagh were lucky in the sence of the draw they got and a real supporter will see that they did not have any real ambition to win sam as such anything after ulster would have been a success
and no i am well over 12 and judging by your posts am going to gaa games all over ireland a lot longer than you
will you care to share your thoughts with us on sunday? or do you still want to talk about dublin.... its no wonder the media talk about dublin so much looking on here its all that done

[mccoydromintee]

Mate, I say I have been to more GAA games in the last year than you have in your life.

Regarding talking him into a bracket: I said he would have more tatcical awareness than Caffrey. He has proven that already this year.

Armagh lucky with the draw? So Louth, Westmeath and Wexford is alot tougher than Cavan, Down, Fermanagh? Therefore by your reasoning Dublin were lucky too.

"a real supporter will see that they did not have any real ambition to win sam as such anything after ulster would have been a success"

That quote just proves how much you know about football.

[hill16]

Mate, I say I have been to more GAA games in the last year than you have in your life.

Regarding talking him into a bracket: I said he would have more tatcical awareness than Caffrey. He has proven that already this year.

Armagh lucky with the draw? So Louth, Westmeath and Wexford is alot tougher than Cavan, Down, Fermanagh? Therefore by your reasoning Dublin were lucky too.

"a real supporter will see that they did not have any real ambition to win sam as such anything after ulster would have been a success"

That quote just proves how much you know about football.

http://www.reservoirdubs.com/forum/

read the posts of a lad called rufus ... to me a real armagh follower

are you saying the draw you had was on a par with say having derry monaghan and tyrone?
so in your eyes if dublin had of got down and armagh(a poor armagh side to years gone by) and beat them piler would have "mastered the ulster way"
never said leinster was strong but that just backs up my point of armagh getting a handy draw all four of the ulster teams you mentioned (armagh fermanagh cavan down) were knocked out by leinster teams

[lapland]

thats a good one think that up all by yourself?
in one way with dublin about too go in to a steep decline for a few years it will be good to see what will happen when we are getting knocked out after 2 games (as many are hoping)and the croke park big wigs see the money train come to a halt you may not know that from 03 to 04 with dublin going out early in leinster the leinster councils profits were down a lot ... the 2 games againest meath in 07 earned the leinster council more then the years 03 and 04 combined
strange how you lot seem to only want to talk about dublin!
this weekend for me is kerry ( unless cork can get cussins going on the edge of the square) and tyrone with a few too spare. the minor game should be good too. the meath team do seam to have one big problem in that they tend to switch off for ten minutes in a game. againest us in parnell in that period we hit the crossbar and the ref gave one of the worst decisions i have ever seen when we had a 3 on one goal for the taking. they also did the same againest offaly in the leinster decider .when cruising they just stoped playing and in the end got a lucky point, from what should have been a offaly free on meaths 21. but they do have some nice players. but tyrone have been talked up as the team to beat at minor this year

If you are talking about the Hill 16 coke dealers , then yes i would imagine there would be a decline in revenue if Dublin were to exit at ana early stage. Still look up, more car parking opportunities for the little ones !!

[hill16]

If you are talking about the Hill 16 coke dealers , then yes i would imagine there would be a decline in revenue if Dublin were to exit at ana early stage. Still look up, more car parking opportunities for the little ones !!

no behonest how often have you seen that happen?
infact how often have you been on the hill for a dublin game?
and by the time dublin city corpo get through with parking you will have some walk to croker!
may as well keep to form and be the one who talks about the games
minor- tyrone have been talked up all year ... you could see why
cork kerry- its a weird one did kerry fall asleep or did cork wake up? bit of both imocork were unlucky in the end. will rue putting in another first half showing like yesterday kerrys chasing of the ref was a disgrace wget away with it)
tyrone wexford - tyrone were always in control for me
should be a good final.

[lapland]

no behonest how often have you seen that happen?
infact how often have you been on the hill for a dublin game?

may as well keep to form and be the one who talks about the games
minor- tyrone have been talked up all year ... you could see why
cork kerry- its a weird one did kerry fall asleep or did cork wake up? bit of both imocork were unlucky in the end. will rue putting in another first half showing like yesterday kerrys chasing of the ref was a disgrace wget away with it)
tyrone wexford - tyrone were always in control for me
should be a good final.

Twice- both ironically against Meath ( as a neutral).
Both times i got told to shut the fuck up -you culchie/ nordie fucker- in that order. I know of no other ground in the country where opposing / neutral fans are advised to keep away from a certain side/ stand, except Croker when "the home" team is playing.


Anyway yes , i agree, Tyrone were excellent today, Kerry never looked o get in to full flow. It will be a cracker

[hill16]

Twice- both ironically against Meath ( as a neutral).
Both times i got told to shut the fuck up -you culchie/ nordie fucker- in that order. I know of no other ground in the country where opposing / neutral fans are advised to keep away from a certain side/ stand, except Croker when "the home" team is playing.


Anyway yes , i agree, Tyrone were excellent today, Kerry never looked o get in to full flow. It will be a cracker

its happened to me at many a league game we go to "dublin knacker " etc happens to us aswell .
a lot will depend on sean cavanagh he looked iin bits going off , if he is missing tyrone will not be able to replace him to easy

[ferg_g]

Oh yes - Bring on the Kingdom. Only downside will not be seeing Spillanes face when we roll them over again

[ger_ryan22]

Fuck the GAA, St Pats got throught in the UEFA cup!! :D

[mccoydromintee]

http://www.reservoirdubs.com/forum/

read the posts of a lad called rufus ... to me a real armagh follower

are you saying the draw you had was on a par with say having derry monaghan and tyrone?
so in your eyes if dublin had of got down and armagh(a poor armagh side to years gone by) and beat them piler would have "mastered the ulster way"
never said leinster was strong but that just backs up my point of armagh getting a handy draw all four of the ulster teams you mentioned (armagh fermanagh cavan down) were knocked out by leinster teams


Trust me I know who Rufus is. It is just stupid to say it was lucky. The teams, bar Cavan, were there on merit. Fermanagh defeated Monagahn and Derry and Down beat Tyrone. It sort of makes a mockery of your argument, but I don't think we are going to agree.

[hill16]

Trust me I know who Rufus is. It is just stupid to say it was lucky. The teams, bar Cavan, were there on merit. Fermanagh defeated Monagahn and Derry and Down beat Tyrone. It sort of makes a mockery of your argument, but I don't think we are going to agree.

well had a chat with rufus and lets just say he filled me in on some of the "deluded" followers in armagh in fact here is a responce from the man himself when i pm him

"Agree with you totally about Armagh this year - things fell our way in Ulster and we struggled to beat some very average teams - namely Cavan, Down and Fermanagh at the second attempt. We did not have to face Donegal, Tyrone, Derry or Monaghan, and if I am being brutally honest, we could be as low as fourth / fifth in Ulster, which makes our Ulster Title all the more amazing. I've said the same on here many times.

As regards supporters in the County, I would guess that some of us are a bit more realistic than others. You will of course get diehards who see it as a slight if anyone questions the team at all, and I would assume that it is in that context that you were being accused of being a WUM. I think deep down that everyone would accept that we were not All Ireland standard. What is really annoying people is the manner of our exit, where we seemed totally paralysed by fear and were ultra cautious against opposition that were average enough to be honest"

end of for me

as regards the hurling really really really hope waterford do it... there would be some party down there if they could, but this kilkenny team are a serious outfit . waterford need everything to go right for them to even be in with a shout imo.... its kilkenny for me... but would love to see waterford do it

[mccoydromintee]

Yes because he said it therefore it must be true. End of we wee not lucky and we played teams that got there on merit. Rufu's summary could fit the Dublin team this year in rregards going down without a fight. One thing for certain Armagh are as good as Dublin and neither are near the top at the moment.

[ger_ryan22]

Right so all the culchies hate Dublin, surprise surprise :rolleyes:

[lapland]

Right so all the culchies hate Dublin, surprise surprise :rolleyes:

And Dublin love everyone?

[ger_ryan22]

And Dublin love everyone?

I don't think they really care. I certainly don't.

[hill16]

Yes because he said it therefore it must be true. End of we wee not lucky and we played teams that got there on merit. Rufu's summary could fit the Dublin team this year in rregards going down without a fight. One thing for certain Armagh are as good as Dublin and neither are near the top at the moment.

maybe maybe not..... just from reading both of your postings i know who is more honest and more in the know on armagh gaa info ... and its not you

[mccoydromintee]

You are without doubt the most deluded and clueless Dublin fan I have ever spoken to. I would honestly believe I know more abotu Dublin football than yourself.

[hill16]

You are without doubt the most deluded and clueless Dublin fan I have ever spoken to. I would honestly believe I know more abotu Dublin football than yourself.


you should do stand up you think deluded shit.
go stick your head up your own arse and belive that armagh beat the might of ulster in cavan down and fermanagh the last two of which had already had there best day of the summer before they met. sure they are miles better than monaghan derry tyrone and donegal . you go on and keep telling yourself that you were beaten by a wexford team that had mastered the ulster way with a tactical lord in charge of them. sure while we are at it lets forget that its the last time you will see the likes of oisin francie paul mc grane and one or two others in an orange jersey again
so you know more about dublin gaa than myself?? so what championship games are you going to what players will be called in to the squad will and of the junior team that won this year be called in to the set up? whats wrong with o gara? should dublin have divisional teams in the championship?
how come ger brennan has not been given a run out ? should we try and get one of the o rourkes in the the football set up? is staplton that good?
was dotsie wasted in the football and is he better off with the hurl in his hand?how come steven mills never made it? or any of the cleere clan? will any of the cleeres make it yet? were the ounty board right to play minor club games before the dublin minors were to play ? should tommy stay on with the hurlers? did nwe throw it away againest wexford ? if we had a full pick what would be the best hurling team dublin could put out? nicky english was at the u-21 leinster final would he come on board? ken hogan helped out this year already... a double act maybe?
what about the clubs .... will they ever get rid of ucd? will crokes knock vins of the perch ? what about the hurlers will boden become the force they have seemed destined to? why has it taken so long? where have all the good underage players gone? will castleknock become a force? how important is the feile? and the gerry o reilly for that matter?
what about the ladies ? are boden that good? have others just faultered? will the days of robert emmett and portobello competing for success ever be seen again?

but back to what you THINK you know(more likely read in a paper)
we are below kerry and tyrone on a par with cork and ahead of galway mayo and armagh
we have no full back ... a matter we could get away with only for our corner backs want to be attacking wing backs and the ur center back is better deployed at 11 weather he likes it or not
our midfield is ok even with whelo gone there are a few there and the days of great midfielders seem to be over(o shea mullind earley and kernan)
barring a number 11 (which we have not had since hanahoe... tommy conroy was there in 83 but like other off that team went off the scene fast and dessie farrell was there 95 but was only a stop gap)
we dont shape up to bad .... mossie is the weak link there imo... pluss the fact he had a stinker ( as they all did) v tyrone

[mccoydromintee]

Awww it is so easy. :p

[lapland]

I don't think they really care. I certainly don't.

But you are a manc;)

[fiordearg]

was at the games on sunday. kerry just about deserved victory as i really thought they were cracking in the second half. why did not cling darren o'sullivan over the sideline when he was making that run for the goal. conceding a point would have been preferable to a goal. donnacha o connor missed a hatful of chances again.
saying that kerry are class and will beat tyrone who i think are not as good as the 05 vintage with the class of o'neill, mulligan and canavan from that team not as apparent as this years team. kerry have it up front especially the gooch donaghy and the dolph lungren lookalike tommy walsh.

[hill16]

Awww it is so easy. :p

place in put your

[mccoydromintee]

place in put your

Shhhsssss petal, it is near your bedtime.

[hill16]

Shhhsssss petal, it is near your bedtime.

you changed your tune quick there lad pitty you dont have the knowledge to back up your claims

[ger_ryan22]

But you are a manc;)

NEVER!! West Dub me, through and through, so watch it ;)

[lapland]

NEVER!! West Dub me, through and through, so watch it ;)

On the runkinda west Dub ;)



or just a Westie:eek::eek::cool:












(googles Ryan nervously)

[ger_ryan22]

On the runkinda west Dub ;)



or just a Westie:eek::eek::cool:









(googles Ryan nervously)

I aint from Blanchardstown don't worry :D

[mccoydromintee]

you changed your tune quick there lad pitty you dont have the knowledge to back up your claims

How was your first day back at school?

[hill16]

How was your first day back at school?

from looking at your posts its the special class you belong to... care to answer any of the question i put to you .... know that you had plenty of time to think about them..... in fact dont bother you really are not worth posting on this topic
bye bye little boy



it seems that stephen o neill is back in the fold with tyrone .. how will that work out if he comes back ... it must be great to get a player of his class back to the squad .. but its a year out of inter county training he must be in with a chance of a subs position at most... hard on whoever misses out though

[mccoydromintee]

Yes............you...........certainly.........are ........an.......expert.......Hill16.

O'Neill's return is a strange one. He will not start and we be introuduced with 15 minutes to go. A pl;ayers decision more than a managemnent one I believe.

[ferg_g]

Management wanted him back but you can't afford to upset a squad on the eve of winning their third all Ireland so it was put to a vote and they were all in favour.

Nailed on now if you ask me!

[RedRafa]

Management wanted him back but you can't afford to upset a squad on the eve of winning their third all Ireland so it was put to a vote and they were all in favour.

Nailed on now if you ask me!

I'm sure Kerry will have something to say about that!
O' Neill could be a useful option to spring from the bench, similar to Canavan in the final a few years ago.
Don't forget Kerry will have Galvin back as well, it'll be interesting to see how Kerry use Galvin and if he'll be match fit.

[ferg_g]

Don't underestimate the power ot the beard!! :eek:

[mccoydromintee]

Management wanted him back

Have it on good authority that it they did not and it was a players decision.

[ger_ryan22]

Don't underestimate the power ot the beard!! :eek:

Exactly! I've got one. rarrrrrrr :mad:

[ferg_g]

Have it on good authority that it they did not and it was a players decision.

I was told that he wanted to return for 09 but Harte asked the squad if they wanted him back now.

No matter - it's good news and if he starts Cavanagh can move back out to the middle.

[lapland]

Strange one today, met Alan Brogan standing next to me in a que at about 11 then found myself sharing a lift in Jurys Croke Park with Pillar- big f mofo when youre up close. I decided not to repeat my recent conversation with Hill16 with him- it would not be fair !!!

[hill16]

Strange one today, met Alan Brogan standing next to me in a que at about 11 then found myself sharing a lift in Jurys Croke Park with Pillar- big f mofo when youre up close. I decided not to repeat my recent conversation with Hill16 with him- it would not be fair !!!

thats weird alright i let joe kernan out in traffic today !

[RedRafa]

Do any of ye go to the All Ireland final even if your county isn't involved?, just curious like.

[hill16]

Do any of ye go to the All Ireland final even if your county isn't involved?, just curious like.

i was a steward for a few but stoped doing it a few years ago... if i get a tickets i would go but would not go out of my way to find one

[mccoydromintee]

Do any of ye go to the All Ireland final even if your county isn't involved?, just curious like.

I can usually get to them all, but I work most Sundays so rearely get.

[hill16]

have to feel for waterford after that. game was over as a contest before the cats even got there first goal. even in waterfords worst nightmare it would not have been as bad as that! its going to be hard to see kilkenny being stoped over the next few years, considering they won minor inters seniors and can add the 21s all ireland next week it could be a clean sweep

[fiordearg]

dublin one appearance in september since the mid-1980s. population 1.3 million.

enough said

btw kilkenny are the most complete hurling team i have ever witnessed and say this as a corkman.

in fact they are the most complete sporting team i have seen in a long time. pure perfection. they were 20 points up and playing as if it was a close game. to score 3-30 (39 points) in a 70 min game is unreal.
they missed 1 chance all game! and waterford have class in eoin kelly and mullane. they are no mugs. KK averaged nearly a score every 2 mins.

if Liverpool played soccer with the intensity that KK play hurling we would win the league year in year out. IN fact Benitez should show his team a video of the All-Ireland final and ask them at the end how much the players get paid.

[hill16]

dublin one appearance in september since the mid-1980s. population 1.3 million.

enough said

btw kilkenny are the most complete hurling team i have ever witnessed and say this as a corkman.

in fact they are the most complete sporting team i have seen in a long time. pure perfection. they were 20 points up and playing as if it was a close game. to score 3-30 (39 points) in a 70 min game is unreal.
they missed 1 chance all game! and waterford have class in eoin kelly and mullane. they are no mugs. KK averaged nearly a score every 2 mins.

if Liverpool played soccer with the intensity that KK play hurling we would win the league year in year out. IN fact Benitez should show his team a video of the All-Ireland final and ask them at the end how much the players get paid.

might want to get your facts (or wording right) before you try and make a point
but i gave my answer to this earlier and could not be arsed too again.
kilkenny are some team alright they took the foot off the gas in the second half and still got 1-15 and let waterford get an easy 1-3 in the last few minutes a full out 70 from them would be mind blowing.... you must be glad they are not in munster ... at least you lot will have a chance of winning somthing next year!

[fiordearg]

well let's see your last appearance in the 1980s was 1984? certainly you beat galway in 1983 and then next appearance in 1995. so no appearances on final day in either code that i can think of at senior level. pretty poor really for the most populated county in ireland. admit it hill admit it ;-)

[dublinlfc]

sorry I have to agree, Dublin's record is shocking considering the facilities they have, we are the Chelsea/man city of gaa and quarter finals is not good enough

[hill16]

well let's see your last appearance in the 1980s was 1984? certainly you beat galway in 1983 and then next appearance in 1995. so no appearances on final day in either code that i can think of at senior level. pretty poor really for the most populated county in ireland. admit it hill admit it ;-)

85 v kerry
92 v donegal
94 v down
YOU SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT


yeah it is poor but come look at the lads that play rugby and soccer in dublin now that would not have dreamed of 20 years ago plus the demands of living in dublin ( bills bills and bigger repayments)mean a lot of people dont have time to play

[hill16]

sorry I have to agree, Dublin's record is shocking considering the facilities they have, we are the Chelsea/man city of gaa and quarter finals is not good enough

how are we the chelsea of gaa? you can have all the facilities (which are?)in the world and it will not make a blind bit of difference.. young people in dublin are not interested. simple as. i train a few underage teams, every year we look for new players of and background at all ... 90% of the non nationals dont want to play the game only soccer . last year when dublin played tyrone to unveil the flood lights at half time there was a mini game made up of all non nationals who "attend " gaa clubs in dublin. out of about 16 kids only one made the effort to pick the ball up the rest played soccer!
more and more irish kids dont want to play gaa wityh a reason being you cant get paid playing that game!
forget this 1.3 million figure a huge chunk of that would not cross the road to play or support gaa. it would be like expecting the unionist to play up north( no joke). i know people that would not go to partys held in gaa halls in dublin!

any way anyone else think pat o shea will throw galvin in from the start?

[fiordearg]

kerry missed galvin i noticed, he adds an even greater mix of cynicism which was absent against cork. i remember last year in the all-ireland final we were getting a bit of a run against kerry in the second half after quirke's errors and galvin decided to have a bit of argie bargie with a cork guy the cork players got sucked in and kerry catch their breath again. every time i see cork play kerry they get sucked into that shit but galvin is a master

good ball player very tough. but has not played all summer - big gamble

[ger_ryan22]

You probably heard this one before lads, anyhoo....

A Galwayman, Dublinman and Kerryman apply to join the Gardai.

The Galwayman does his interview which goes fine. The last question he is asked is "Who killed Jesus Christ?" to which he replies Pontious Pilate.
"Very good" says the superintendent, "you can start on traffic duty".

The Dublinman does his interview which also goes fine and he answers the question about who killed Jesus Christ and is assigned to traffic duty.

The Kerryman goes in for his interview which goes fine and he is asked who killed Jesus Christ. "I don't know" he answers.

The superintendent tells him to go to the library across the yard and begin checking the bible.On the way he meets the Galwayman and the Dublinman who already have their traffic uniforms on and are taking to the streets.

"What are you up to?" the Kerryman asks.
They both reply that they are already starting on traffic duty.

"Traffic duty?!" says the Kerryman, "Jayzus, I've been assigned to a murder case!!!"

[hill16]

kerry missed galvin i noticed, he adds an even greater mix of cynicism which was absent against cork. i remember last year in the all-ireland final we were getting a bit of a run against kerry in the second half after quirke's errors and galvin decided to have a bit of argie bargie with a cork guy the cork players got sucked in and kerry catch their breath again. every time i see cork play kerry they get sucked into that shit but galvin is a master

good ball player very tough. but has not played all summer - big gamble

there are plenty of those galvin type players about what makes him different is his ability to kick the scores as well.. really think he will start this game.... is it right though? should the gaa have made a stand stuck up for the refs and given him the six months?

[ferg_g]

Hell of a game and the right result!

[fiordearg]

Delighted and even though I hate Kerry in general I am glad that diver O Mahony as well as the scum Galvin did not lift sam maguire this year.

Contae Ui Neill were excellent and showed character even though their wides in the second half i thought were going to cost them.

Was it not weird that the sub goalie made two match-winning fantastic saves after the Devine's father died? Ar dheis De go raibh d'anam. Things do happen in mysterious ways.

[mccoydromintee]

First of fRIP to Devine and his family.

The Tyrone blitz in the last few minutes was crazy.

Hill166 every county has people who play rugby/soccer etc. If you think Dublins achievements over the past two decades are acceptable your aspirations must be very low.

[fiordearg]

True look who the Rebels have lost in this decade to Aussie Rules -Setanta and Aisake Ó hAilpin and Tomás O'Leary (son of Seánie Leary) to Munster Rugby. I would take the point that counties like Kerry and Kilkenny for example are more insulated from other sports than the city-based counties like Dublin and Cork.

[hill16]

First of fRIP to Devine and his family.

The Tyrone blitz in the last few minutes was crazy.

Hill166 every county has people who play rugby/soccer etc. If you think Dublins achievements over the past two decades are acceptable your aspirations must be very low.


its called realism ..... take the 70s out of it and when did dublin ever domitate? not really bothered in discussing it with you

fair play to tyrone they had a game plan and stuck to it. kerry on the otherhand never got going and should have made2-3 changes after 35

[mccoydromintee]

its called realism ..... take the 70s out of it and when did dublin ever domitate? not really bothered in discussing it with you


Why becuase you sound like a five year old when you argue?

Get away out of that, it is not realism. Dublin are one of the top teams in the country. One Sam Maguire in 13 years is a disater.

[fiordearg]

I think the media blow Dublin out of proportion and the GAA badly want a Dublin All-ireland to spread the game in the capital and get more money from the public.

to be honest dublin doing better in hurling would be even more important for the GAA as that would create another fan base. saying that i was in Dublin one time and there was Dublin V Meath on nearly every tv and in a small corner there was Cork and Waterford producing golden hurling. Some Jackeen shouted turn that shite off. What a langer I thought to myself.

[hill16]

Why becuase you sound like a five year old when you argue?

Get away out of that, it is not realism. Dublin are one of the top teams in the country. One Sam Maguire in 13 years is a disater.

its the same bull that you come out with . so let me break it down for you bit by bit so you can understand
1 bar the 70s dublin average 1 all ireland ever decade going back near sixty years.... thats realism .... dublins strenght and might is blown out ott by the media for fools to belive .
2 no one is denying that dublin are a top team in fact lets look at the past 13 years and the teams that knocked them out 7 of them went on to win the ai 3 others went on to reach the ai final dublin have always been a top five team just not no 1
3 main reason i dont want to discuss dublin football is simply .... you know fuck all about it you cant post back to me saying such and suck should be in the set up or where is this lad now its a one way debate with you getting your bits of "knowledge" from a rag

[hill16]

I think the media blow Dublin out of proportion and the GAA badly want a Dublin All-ireland to spread the game in the capital and get more money from the public.

to be honest dublin doing better in hurling would be even more important for the GAA as that would create another fan base. saying that i was in Dublin one time and there was Dublin V Meath on nearly every tv and in a small corner there was Cork and Waterford producing golden hurling. Some Jackeen shouted turn that shite off. What a langer I thought to myself.

spot on

[lapland]

Season is over kiddies , time to close up.

[fiordearg]

true although the ladies footballers are playing this weekend :D

btw how many people are sick of the anti-irish stuff on this site. it's gone bad in my opinion...

[mccoydromintee]

its the same bull that you come out with . so let me break it down for you bit by bit so you can understand
1 bar the 70s dublin average 1 all ireland ever decade going back near sixty years.... thats realism .... dublins strenght and might is blown out ott by the media for fools to belive .
2 no one is denying that dublin are a top team in fact lets look at the past 13 years and the teams that knocked them out 7 of them went on to win the ai 3 others went on to reach the ai final dublin have always been a top five team just not no 1
3 main reason i dont want to discuss dublin football is simply .... you know fuck all about it you cant post back to me saying such and suck should be in the set up or where is this lad now its a one way debate with you getting your bits of "knowledge" from a rag

Mate there is so much irony in point three. I can guarantee you that I have more knowledge of the game than you and the majority of the thread - and there is a certain reason for that.

Anyays, I only be winding you most of the time lad to get a rise and it usually works. :). Diublin actually average just over two All-Irelands a decade so going 13 years without one is very poor indeed, What do you think should be done to improve the team? Personally I think yous have to abandon the 'in-county' management appointments. Loyalty etc is great if there is a Dublin man with the knowhow to do the business. The last three managers, even if Carr is not really a dub, have been tactically inept when it has come to the latter stages. Itos hard to know who you could appoint. Obviously Harte is committed to Tyrone but I said from start that Ryan or O'Flathara would be two decent appointments. O'Shea is almost certain to leave Kerry and he has shown with club and county that he has a tatcial know-how to try something different.

The media hype is a lazy excuse for me. People have talked about the media hyping up Dublin but certainly over the last 2 or 3 years the attitude has seemed to changed to running the Dubs down. Bad press works for some counties (Armagh and Tyrone obvious examples) butit is hard to know how the Dublin players react to print.

Did anyone see the "Blue Book" that Cafferey had this year, there is a thin line between motivational and looking foolish and I think he just crossed it. There is also a loyalty to certain players. Fennel had a great league campaign but hardly got a look in, surely there are better options than Ross McConnell at full back?

[hill16]

Mate there is so much irony in point three. I can guarantee you that I have more knowledge of the game than you and the majority of the thread - and there is a certain reason for that.

Anyays, I only be winding you most of the time lad to get a rise and it usually works. :). Diublin actually average just over two All-Irelands a decade so going 13 years without one is very poor indeed, What do you think should be done to improve the team? Personally I think yous have to abandon the 'in-county' management appointments. Loyalty etc is great if there is a Dublin man with the knowhow to do the business. The last three managers, even if Carr is not really a dub, have been tactically inept when it has come to the latter stages. Itos hard to know who you could appoint. Obviously Harte is committed to Tyrone but I said from start that Ryan or O'Flathara would be two decent appointments. O'Shea is almost certain to leave Kerry and he has shown with club and county that he has a tatcial know-how to try something different.

The media hype is a lazy excuse for me. People have talked about the media hyping up Dublin but certainly over the last 2 or 3 years the attitude has seemed to changed to running the Dubs down. Bad press works for some counties (Armagh and Tyrone obvious examples) butit is hard to know how the Dublin players react to print.

Did anyone see the "Blue Book" that Cafferey had this year, there is a thin line between motivational and looking foolish and I think he just crossed it. There is also a loyalty to certain players. Fennel had a great league campaign but hardly got a look in, surely there are better options than Ross McConnell at full back?

well first and fore most i can assure you when it comes to DUBLIN gaa ( which seems to be all you post about) i piss all over you as you should to me when it comes to armagh matters( which you have never posted about) and no i just laught at most of your posts (as did others i know but lets forget that now)
as regards dublin average wins take the seventies out then the dublin team( not the country selection of early 1920s) average 1 a decade.
bit of a cheap shot calling carr a non dub... if you want to get it right he was born in dublin and moved to tipp.... but thats just splitting hairs
what to do to improve our chances ..... well i will start with this question when peter mc donnell goes to a club game in armagh how many armagh players are on the pitch? my guess is no less than 25-28 in dublin its dramatically lower with a lot of teams having up to 6 or 7 players on display that are non dubs . this may not sound to much but when you consider most of these lads are intercounty players that are dominating the game its doing no good to dublin gaa ... plus they all go to the handful of clubs for a "reason" meaning these teams are the ones contesting the championship.
take vincent all ireland success would they have won without o shea from kerry morrissey from tipp or the mayo lads.... would not have got out of dublin imo. now i am not saying to ban these players but as it is dublin gaa is not benifitting from having them going to a few select clubs... so the county board should asign them clubs and if they dont like it let them fuck off home
the county players dont play enough games with there club teams , a matter that has been going on for ovrt 10 years now. they are wraped in cotton wool to much
medai is no help to dublin at all i can assure you when the dublin manager is named his first game (likly a new year game v blue stars) will have a two page spread in papers and will more than likely be on the news! no other team gets that. then its a good chance we will be shifted to croker to open the league v tyrone . instead of letting us play in parnell so as the gaa can get the limelight and more press out of us
as regards ryan lets wait till he beats a good team that dont need walking sticks.. o flathara style of play will get him no where his teams wont get hammered but its a poor copy of tyrone 03... but given he is a kerry man he will cut his cloth to suite
as regars ross at 3 yeah there are other players (ones a hurler) who would be better in there but its a commitment thing . its not seen as a way of life in dublin like kerry
the "blue book " was somthing i seen 2 years ago from one of the players ( now gone from set up)to me its a load of bull but others liked it. again to lambast piller over 1 game when (tyrone players and managers words) everything went right for us a teams gets them days once every 10 years and everything went wrong for dublin. lets not forget that for 3 of pillers 4 years its was the all ireland winners that knocked him out them two teams the media are now debateing which is team of the decade...... o tyrone is for me

[ger_ryan22]

Dublin are not good enough for an All-Ireland, that's evident. I know that, you know that. Time to throw in the towel lads.

[mccoydromintee]

well first and fore most i can assure you when it comes to DUBLIN gaa ( which seems to be all you post about) i piss all over you as you should to me when it comes to armagh matters( which you have never posted about) and no i just laught at most of your posts (as did others i know but lets forget that now)
as regards dublin average wins take the seventies out then the dublin team( not the country selection of early 1920s) average 1 a decade.
bit of a cheap shot calling carr a non dub... if you want to get it right he was born in dublin and moved to tipp.... but thats just splitting hairs
what to do to improve our chances ..... well i will start with this question when peter mc donnell goes to a club game in armagh how many armagh players are on the pitch? my guess is no less than 25-28 in dublin its dramatically lower with a lot of teams having up to 6 or 7 players on display that are non dubs . this may not sound to much but when you consider most of these lads are intercounty players that are dominating the game its doing no good to dublin gaa ... plus they all go to the handful of clubs for a "reason" meaning these teams are the ones contesting the championship.
take vincent all ireland success would they have won without o shea from kerry morrissey from tipp or the mayo lads.... would not have got out of dublin imo. now i am not saying to ban these players but as it is dublin gaa is not benifitting from having them going to a few select clubs... so the county board should asign them clubs and if they dont like it let them fuck off home
the county players dont play enough games with there club teams , a matter that has been going on for ovrt 10 years now. they are wraped in cotton wool to much
medai is no help to dublin at all i can assure you when the dublin manager is named his first game (likly a new year game v blue stars) will have a two page spread in papers and will more than likely be on the news! no other team gets that. then its a good chance we will be shifted to croker to open the league v tyrone . instead of letting us play in parnell so as the gaa can get the limelight and more press out of us
as regards ryan lets wait till he beats a good team that dont need walking sticks.. o flathara style of play will get him no where his teams wont get hammered but its a poor copy of tyrone 03... but given he is a kerry man he will cut his cloth to suite
as regars ross at 3 yeah there are other players (ones a hurler) who would be better in there but its a commitment thing . its not seen as a way of life in dublin like kerry
the "blue book " was somthing i seen 2 years ago from one of the players ( now gone from set up)to me its a load of bull but others liked it. again to lambast piller over 1 game when (tyrone players and managers words) everything went right for us a teams gets them days once every 10 years and everything went wrong for dublin. lets not forget that for 3 of pillers 4 years its was the all ireland winners that knocked him out them two teams the media are now debateing which is team of the decade...... o tyrone is for me


Plenty laughing at our posts as well mate and I can't blame them when you post something like "Lets see Ryan when he beats a team that does not need walking sticks."

O'Flathara' style has already won many plaudits and the new dublin managementcould learn from it. Playing defensively may not impress the average fan but it is essential for success. Tyrone won the AI this year because they played total football defending and attacking in swarms.

Hardly a cheap shot regarding Carr. He played football for Tipp before Dublin.

[hill16]

Plenty laughing at our posts as well mate and I can't blame them when you post something like "Lets see Ryan when he beats a team that does not need walking sticks."

O'Flathara' style has already won many plaudits and the new dublin managementcould learn from it. Playing defensively may not impress the average fan but it is essential for success. Tyrone won the AI this year because they played total football defending and attacking in swarms.

Hardly a cheap shot regarding Carr. He played football for Tipp before Dublin.

considering you have him backed as a great team on the back of one match where they beat a team 3 years past there best . get a grip of your self lad . go back to reading the dandy if you cant
you knid of answer o flathara (westmeaths) problem by pointing out how tyrone attacked in swarms.... westmeath did not . to much for dolan and glennon to do on there own ( thats from seeing westmeath six times in person this season. but as i said he is a kerry man who we are aware of in dublin considering he is livinng here since 85 and involved with crokes . he was down to train the minor team of 04 till o se got him on board for west meath
anyway seeing as you don't can't or won't talk about your own county i suppose i will haveto ask is francie following oisin out the door to the bookies?
what about the o rourkes? there will be a lot of places to fill
and you may want to check your facts carr never played for tipp

[ferg_g]

Not wanting to get involved but now with another All Ireland safely tucked away I can safely say will you two pack it in.

Hill16 - Dublins record of late is shocking McCoy - I'm not even going to start on Armagh ;)

Why on Earth are we going to Australia to get the crap beat out of us again?

[fiordearg]

ya that compromise rules is a load of shite. aussies have no respect

[mccoydromintee]

considering you have him backed as a great team on the back of one match where they beat a team 3 years past there best . get a grip of your self lad . go back to reading the dandy if you cant
you knid of answer o flathara (westmeaths) problem by pointing out how tyrone attacked in swarms.... westmeath did not . to much for dolan and glennon to do on there own ( thats from seeing westmeath six times in person this season. but as i said he is a kerry man who we are aware of in dublin considering he is livinng here since 85 and involved with crokes . he was down to train the minor team of 04 till o se got him on board for west meath
anyway seeing as you don't can't or won't talk about your own county i suppose i will haveto ask is francie following oisin out the door to the bookies?
what about the o rourkes? there will be a lot of places to fill
and you may want to check your facts carr never played for tipp



Carr payed for Tipp and his brother played Hurling for Tipp. You seem to have some sort of thing against Wexford igf you can't appreciate how well they done this year.

No need for the bookies reference to Osin either, not on. But if there was seriousness in your question Franice is likely to step down. He has struggled with injuries but it may depend on other Crossmaglen fellows. Obviously McConville being away will make hium think about it and I understand Hearty is considering leaving too. Others likely to drop out are McNulty, ORourke (told me he still hasn;'t decided and I expect him to saty an extra year but we will have to wait.) McGrane will continue for one more year as well I beleiove - the man was exceelent this year and I see no reason why he can't repeat it next year.

Three years ago we got beaten by a point in an All-ireland semi-final, two years ago Kerry produced 35 minutes omagic to dump us out. This year we got shocked by a excellent, hard-working Wexford team. To say three years past their sell-by date is a lazy cliche.

[hill16]

Carr payed for Tipp and his brother played Hurling for Tipp. You seem to have some sort of thing against Wexford igf you can't appreciate how well they done this year.

No need for the bookies reference to Osin either, not on. But if there was seriousness in your question Franice is likely to step down. He has struggled with injuries but it may depend on other Crossmaglen fellows. Obviously McConville being away will make hium think about it and I understand Hearty is considering leaving too. Others likely to drop out are McNulty, ORourke (told me he still hasn;'t decided and I expect him to saty an extra year but we will have to wait.) McGrane will continue for one more year as well I beleiove - the man was exceelent this year and I see no reason why he can't repeat it next year.

Three years ago we got beaten by a point in an All-ireland semi-final, two years ago Kerry produced 35 minutes omagic to dump us out. This year we got shocked by a excellent, hard-working Wexford team. To say three years past their sell-by date is a lazy cliche.

carr played under age football in tipp he never lined out at senior thats for sure
truth is armagh lost to kerry in 06 cause the legs were gone on big players like geezer. same happened this year v wexford. you should have been well ahead at half time ... then the legs went with 10 to go on the important players ,and, mc grane could not keep it together himself. at least dublin can cling to the reasoning that we were just poor shite on the day( even though tyrone are a better team overall than us theyare not 3-18 to 1 10 or whatever better)

have nothing in for wexford but fermanagh done the same a few years back getting to semi when they shocked you lot .were you claiming them to be a great team... what has there manager ( donegal chap charlie somthing name escapes me)done since? imo wexford did not beat a big team this year . thats my opinion you disagree so lets leave it at that


the aussie thing is a joke to be honest when its just football we beat them hands down(as we should its our shaped ball) but its when the likes of ciaran mc donald takes the piss out of the like he did in croker they lose the rag. the rule chances where they miss afl games will impact them . some of those tackles would have got long bans in afl.

[mccoydromintee]

So what your saying is he played for Tipp then and my facts were right. ;)

Yeah in 06 Our backs were off the pace in the second half O'Su;llivan was skinning our defenders when he came on and it was calling out for Aidan O'Rourke to be thrown on, but he wasn't. Francie's phantom yellow card also played his role as he backed off Donmaghy after that, which resulted in the crucuial goal.

McGrane's legs did not go, his midfield partenr went awol. Many, including myself felt he would not be up tp it this year but McGrane once again proved us wrong. You may cling to the fatct hat Dublinw were just shite on the day but player for player Armagh are still probably a better team and I would fancy us against yourselves. -0 I think you underate us significantly. Encouraginly our underage teams, particuarly u21, have done a lot better psot 02, which is something we didn't have before 02 - which gives me hope. The materials are there but we just have to see if they have the leadership qualities like Mardsen, McGeeney, McGrane etc.


You have to remember against Fermanagh we playesd 80% of the match without Enda McNulty. Not an excuse, Fermanagh were the better team. Malachy O'Rourke is a greta manager and don't ecpect this year's Ulster final to be a fglash in the pan either. Just such a small pick - acounty of 20k odd, will surely hamper.

The GAA have restarted the compromise riules for one thing - to regulate the flow of players to the AFL and ensure boundaries.

[hill16]

So what your saying is he played for Tipp then and my facts were right. ;)

Yeah in 06 Our backs were off the pace in the second half O'Su;llivan was skinning our defenders when he came on and it was calling out for Aidan O'Rourke to be thrown on, but he wasn't. Francie's phantom yellow card also played his role as he backed off Donmaghy after that, which resulted in the crucuial goal.

McGrane's legs did not go, his midfield partenr went awol. Many, including myself felt he would not be up tp it this year but McGrane once again proved us wrong. You may cling to the fatct hat Dublinw were just shite on the day but player for player Armagh are still probably a better team and I would fancy us against yourselves. -0 I think you underate us significantly. Encouraginly our underage teams, particuarly u21, have done a lot better psot 02, which is something we didn't have before 02 - which gives me hope. The materials are there but we just have to see if they have the leadership qualities like Mardsen, McGeeney, McGrane etc.


You have to remember against Fermanagh we playesd 80% of the match without Enda McNulty. Not an excuse, Fermanagh were the better team. Malachy O'Rourke is a greta manager and don't ecpect this year's Ulster final to be a fglash in the pan either. Just such a small pick - acounty of 20k odd, will surely hamper.

The GAA have restarted the compromise riules for one thing - to regulate the flow of players to the AFL and ensure boundaries.

big difference with the words in and for
never said mc granes legs went ,said he was unable to keep it together himself
thats not the fermanagh manager i was thinking about!( kind of proves my point) charlie mulgrew i think it was , a donegal lad
i aint clingng to anything . dublin may not be the top team but we are not that bad as the tyrone game and as regards taking on armagh lets hope we get the chance to see who is right in croke park next year

the aussie games were brought back for one reason.... money simple as

[lapland]

So what your saying is he played for Tipp then and my facts were right. ;)

Yeah in 06 Our backs were off the pace in the second half O'Su;llivan was skinning our defenders when he came on and it was calling out for Aidan O'Rourke to be thrown on, but he wasn't. Francie's phantom yellow card also played his role as he backed off Donmaghy after that, which resulted in the crucuial goal.

McGrane's legs did not go, his midfield partenr went awol. Many, including myself felt he would not be up tp it this year but McGrane once again proved us wrong. You may cling to the fatct hat Dublinw were just shite on the day but player for player Armagh are still probably a better team and I would fancy us against yourselves. -0 I think you underate us significantly. Encouraginly our underage teams, particuarly u21, have done a lot better psot 02, which is something we didn't have before 02 - which gives me hope. The materials are there but we just have to see if they have the leadership qualities like Mardsen, McGeeney, McGrane etc.


You have to remember against Fermanagh we playesd 80% of the match without Enda McNulty. Not an excuse, Fermanagh were the better team. Malachy O'Rourke is a greta manager and don't ecpect this year's Ulster final to be a fglash in the pan either. Just such a small pick - acounty of 20k odd, will surely hamper.
The GAA have restarted the compromise riules for one thing - to regulate the flow of players to the AFL and ensure boundaries.


50% of that 20k would kick with the wrong foot if you know what i mean,
of the remaining 10k 50% of those are women,
of the remaining 5 k 20% of those are within the right age to play at this level
of the remaining 1 k 300 actually play GAA on a regular basis ( 31.3% Hurley)

Sack Rafa ,

Malachy Malachy gis a wave.....


We learn this stuff in lapland y no

[mccoydromintee]

big difference with the words in and for
never said mc granes legs went ,said he was unable to keep it together himself
thats not the fermanagh manager i was thinking about!( kind of proves my point) charlie mulgrew i think it was , a donegal lad
i aint clingng to anything . dublin may not be the top team but we are not that bad as the tyrone game and as regards taking on armagh lets hope we get the chance to see who is right in croke park next year

the aussie games were brought back for one reason.... money simple as

Yeah, hopefully we get a run out in Croker - had great banter with the dubs in 02 and 03.

Money played a massive part in it Hill16, but the GAA were told in no uncertain terms at the meetings that if communciation was not kept good i.e the series, scouts like Ricky Nixon would increase his camps ten-fold. He is already planning thre next year and the GAA are in a tight hole. If they brake off the series expect a bigger recruitment drive from the Aussie cpubs over here.

[hill16]

Yeah, hopefully we get a run out in Croker - had great banter with the dubs in 02 and 03.

Money played a massive part in it Hill16, but the GAA were told in no uncertain terms at the meetings that if communciation was not kept good i.e the series, scouts like Ricky Nixon would increase his camps ten-fold. He is already planning thre next year and the GAA are in a tight hole. If they brake off the series expect a bigger recruitment drive from the Aussie cpubs over here.

theres not a thing the gaa can do about nixons like. he can set up a training camp here 24/7 even if the gaa and afl try and block him. the two main reasons are
1 as we don't pay our players it would be stoping fair trade ( you would then have to stop the trade fairs too , if you follow my drift)
2 nixon is an agent he has no "official" link to any team

[mccoydromintee]

theres not a thing the gaa can do about nixons like. he can set up a training camp here 24/7 even if the gaa and afl try and block him. the two main reasons are
1 as we don't pay our players it would be stoping fair trade ( you would then have to stop the trade fairs too , if you follow my drift)
2 nixon is an agent he has no "official" link to any team

Yeah I know what you mean but at the moment he is demonstrating "goodwill" for want of a better word. He may not be linked to any club but there are six AFL clubs now employing his services and if the AFL say to the clubs " we have good l;inks don't go overboard it will remain quite calm. But if the series breaks down, they will have free reign.

Of course it is a great wee cash cow too for the GAA and is guaranteeing 60k each time. Plus the top brass get a week in australia.

[fiordearg]

what about the rebels on strike again, what de fuck???

frank murphy's position is untenable - the guy has overseen 3 player strikes in 6 years, talk about bad leadership. strip away the personality crap that's what it boils down to.

[RedRafa]

what about the rebels on strike again, what de fuck???

frank murphy's position is untenable - the guy has overseen 3 player strikes in 6 years, talk about bad leadership. strip away the personality crap that's what it boils down to.

Not sure where I stand on this, for a change the players do not have the public on their side and are seen to be spitting the dummy of the pram again.

I like Gerald McCarthy as he had been a great servant to Cork over the years as a player and a coach but his management record over the past 2 years is shocking. He has lost 5 championship matches in 2 years which is terrible by any standards. I'm surprised he opted to go again for another term and I can't see Cork competing with Kilkenny with him at the helm.
Obviously that's what the players are thinking too but there must have been another path for them to take.

The likes of Cusack seem to revel in this kind of controversy and probably has too much power with the players.

I agree Frank Murphy is probably at the root of all the problems but there's no hope of getting rid of him.
Kilkenny and Tipp are probably laughing their heads off and rightly so at the whole fiasco.

[fiordearg]

it's embarrassing..murphy stays quiet and lets mccarthy and the players take chunks off each other.

it would be best if donal og, murphy and ger mc stepped aside and the clubs elected senior delegates from them to sort out this mess.

[mccoydromintee]

Not long left till the county action starts again. There really is little break for most, especially as many have club commitments too.

Can Tyrone make it three-in-a-row?
Can Dublin win a big game for once under Gilroy?
Can Armagh shake off the defensive tag?

McKenna Cup - at leats its football - looking forward to it.

[mccoydromintee]

McKenna Cup, O'Byrne etc back in business.

Took in Queen's and Armagh, decent game. Back them for the Sigerson, have seen them a couple of times this year - best Queen's side in a while.

Off topic discovered this on Youtube. :eek: :eek:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CPifUZdH6G0

[red_bren_08]

Just watched that clip from 91 what a digging match...

Wouldnt see that in any football pitch imagine g neville tryin to throw a dig and as for the diving prick winkin bastard .... no no not the face

Dubs all the way to Sam this year :rolleyes:

[fiordearg]

i see cork's senior panel are in negotiations....what about those young lads who thought they were going to be cork players.....

frank and ger seemingly are winning the battle..

[fiordearg]

beaten by 3 goals dublin of all teams last week in the NHL> will be mauled by Tipp tonight. it's on setanta spoorts.

[mccoydromintee]

Tipp are 1/40 - says it all Fior.

Murphy took a bit of stick in the player's letter, amazing that he is sitll in the position.

Heading to the Armagh Laois game mayself, progress has been decent this year, let's msee if it continues tonight.

[fiordearg]

2-15 to 0-9 points. the more they lose heavily the more people will question ger mac and the board.

armagh had a bad result their mccoy. to laois at home? Cork had an away draw to kildare in NFL division 2.

[Devski]

Anyone go to the Tyroen - Kerry game in Omagh yesterday? Kerry won by 3pts I think & apparently there was a big punch-up afterwards.

[fiordearg]

the gooch has filled out. now got the physique to go with the skill. my favourites to win the football while i suppose you can't back against kk making it 4 in a row. i'll nearly support tipp this year to stop them now that my county are facing another blank year!

[mccoydromintee]

2-15 to 0-9 points. the more they lose heavily the more people will question ger mac and the board.

armagh had a bad result their mccoy. to laois at home? Cork had an away draw to kildare in NFL division 2.


yYeah we were act arounbd the middle, the keeper made three great saves for us too. Clanyc gave an exhibition.

[mccoydromintee]

Anyone go to the Tyroen - Kerry game in Omagh yesterday? Kerry won by 3pts I think & apparently there was a big punch-up afterwards.

Bit of handbags, no punches thrown.

[fiordearg]

the cork players got a standing ovation (twice) when they met the clubs this week.
still though can't see it being resolved. too late for cork no matter what this year. sick of seing the cats stroll through hurling.

[RedRafa]

the cork players got a standing ovation (twice) when they met the clubs this week.
still though can't see it being resolved. too late for cork no matter what this year. sick of seing the cats stroll through hurling.

I still think there's a good chance of it being sorted, McCarthy will go I'd say.
I agree that kilkenny look odds on again, unless Tipp do something.
If Galway had got themselves a decent manager they would be in with a great chance.

[mccoydromintee]

I am very much in the minority camp, supporting the players.

That excludes Cork of course where other factors play a role.

I think the players are handling it very poorly, but, without being an expert, how can a player dedicate himself to something like that under a manager they have no faith in?

[fiordearg]

what about the 30 new cork lads that have given up five months of their SPARE time. how do they feel? this is not professional sport where the likes of robbie keane can get shafted but at least he can know that there is another club willing to pay for his services. these guys will have trained 3/4 times a week without knowing if they will be even playing if the situation is resolved.

[mccoydromintee]

what about the 30 new cork lads that have given up five months of their SPARE time. how do they feel? this is not professional sport where the likes of robbie keane can get shafted but at least he can know that there is another club willing to pay for his services. these guys will have trained 3/4 times a week without knowing if they will be even playing if the situation is resolved.

As I said, I don't know everything on the situation so I am not claiming to be an expert.

But do you honestly believe any of the new players expect to be there all year? And do you think the county would be better off with third and fourth string players?

The 30 players "who gave up five months of their spare time" are not stupid. They knew what they were getting into.

[RedRafa]

As I said, I don't know everything on the situation so I am not claiming to be an expert.

But do you honestly believe any of the new players expect to be there all year? And do you think the county would be better off with third and fourth string players?

The 30 players "who gave up five months of their spare time" are not stupid. They knew what they were getting into.

I agree with all that.
They have been given the opportunity to represent their county when the majority of them wouldn't have been given this chance only for the strike.
Seemingly, there are about 50 players in the pecking order ahead of them but in fairness, I think a few of them have done very well and will be drafted into the panel if the 2008 squad do come back.
I travelled to all the matches last year and questioned McCarthy's ability on the line when he had the best players in the county available.
If the 2008 squad don't come back, I honestly don't think I'd go to any games this year, not that there would be many to go to anyway.
The whole thing is a sham.

[fiordearg]

i agree with the sham bit and i can't see myself going to games this year. probably that will be the decider in the the debacle - the supporters. if they don't go then it's hard for the comintern (murphy) to back the manager.

[mccoydromintee]

Ha you honestly think Murphy will not stand firm?

Lads, you are both Corkmen, give us your opinions on it?

[Ducatiboy749]

Where's "Hamrob"? Thought this thread would be right up his street....:confused:

[RedRafa]

Ha you honestly think Murphy will not stand firm?

Lads, you are both Corkmen, give us your opinions on it?

I'm no expert on Frank Murphy, but from I've heard or seen,
he's been an excellent Administrator for the Cork County Borad in the last 30 years but has way too much influence.

He has a lifetime position as secretary of the CCB. He can't be voted out of his position, the only way he can go is if he resigns, he wrote his own contract.

He knows every rule in the book and all the bye laws.
Granted, this has been used to Cork's advantage at times, which I disagree with, as he has got certain players red cards rescinded due to "technicalities"

He's surrounded himself in the board over the years with yes men who will go along him, and has threatened clubs who have dared to question him.
There are stories of him ignoring the clubs votes when Rule 42 was being voted on and sneaking in his own aganda by rushing it through.
He's interfered with team selections or subs coming on during games over the years, when he wasn't even a selector.

He's lost face in the last two strikes and it'll take an awful lot for him to lose face a third time, especially with some of the players targetting him specifically.

So to answer your question mccoydromintee, I don't know.
He'll stand firm, with the County Board fully behind him whatever he does, unless he has no choice and bow to public opinion (which seems to be with the players).

There were 500 people at Pairc Ui Chaoimh yesterday to see Cork play Galway.
If the situation isn't sorted by the time the league finishes then the Championship attendances are going to be shocking as well.

If the footballers stick by what they said, then there won't be a football team either.

I bet you're sorry you asked the question now!.:o

[fiordearg]

watch some of cork v kilkenny in the national league of TG4 while kind of flicking between that and the united game.

what a trouncing they gave the rebels. hope it wakes the cork public up to the reality that we are 34 points worse off than kk at the moment. the main difference between kk and the rest is not just skill but sheer desire, fitness and willingness to take and put in a tackle, a hook or a block. unless other teams play like that (as clare did in the 1990s but with kk having more technique) then the championship will be just a formality.

[ger_ryan22]

How are Dublin doing? Not that I really give a shit. Too many plastic Dub fans in my opinion.

[lapland]

How are Dublin doing? Not that I really give a shit. Too many plastic Dub fans in my opinion.

Fighting hard to avoid the drop.

Would not do them any harm.

[fiordearg]

their new manager has not done much for them yet...

championship is what it is all about but i would worry for cork after today!

[ger_ryan22]

Keeping it Irish, Brian Kerr is now manager of the Faroe Islands!!!?? What the funk!!

Former Republic Of Ireland boss Brian Kerr this morning agreed to take the position as national coach of the Faroe Islands.

Kerr has signed a contract through to the end of 2011. His first competitive game with the national side will be at home to Serbia on the 10 June 2009 in a World Cup Qualifying round match.

In addition to managing and coaching the senior international team, Kerr will also be heavily involved in implementing coaching structures and systems for the development of the national game from underage level, right through to the development of the senior national league.

Kerr performed a similar developmental role with great success for the Football Association of Ireland from 1996 to 2005.

At a press briefing in Torshavn this morning, Kerr commented: 'After a recent approach from the General Secretary of the Faroe Islands FA, Isaac Mikladal, I am delighted to accept a position that will see me work with the Faroe Islands Football Association in all areas of the development of the game in their country, in parallel with coaching the national senior team.

'It will be a very interesting and difficult challenge, but one I look forward to getting my teeth into. I have been extremely impressed with the ambition and enthusiasm shown by everyone at the Faroese FA, and other key figures I have met who are involved in the development of the game there.

'It has always been my intention to go back into coaching and management. To this end, I have spent some of my recent time acquiring a FIFA Pro Licence and have continuously studied new technical developments and trends in the game, at both club and international level.'

He concluded: 'While I enjoyed my last role at St. Patricks Athletic with John McDonnell, as we attempted to bring the club to a new level, my desire to return to coaching at International level remained.

'I have had other interesting offers in the past, but for varying reasons such opportunities didn't suit me at the time. I am now delighted to be taking on this new opportunity with an international association who are both determined and eager to grow the game of football at all levels while improving the nations standing in world football.'

[fiordearg]

he was not the worst irish manager, stan can take that accolade.

i always remember what's-his-face stating we'd have a world class manager after they sacked kerr.

at least trap is doing a grand job.

[mccoydromintee]

Leagues a closing and the summer a coming - Can't wait.

[fiordearg]

i don't think cork are better in football than tyrone and kerry and i don't think we are in the same league as kilkenny in hurling so i've not felt this way about a summer since before 1999. last year was the first we did not reach an all-ireland in either code since 2002 and i don't feel like we'll do it again this year. but hope springs eternal! :)

[fiordearg]

mccoy your boys took one hell of a beating yesterday.

what about jimmy kerrigan's young lad? looks promising.

[mccoydromintee]

mccoy your boys took one hell of a beating yesterday.

what about jimmy kerrigan's young lad? looks promising.

As I say I would not be too worried.

The reaction has been typical up here, we are useless etc, etc. Ignoring the fact that it was a league match when we were missing players and others were carrying knocks.

Of course after our second half showing against Kildare a few weeks back apparently we were the best team in the land.

So I can take one hell of a beating in April and not bat an eyelid, tis the summer that counts.

Worrying all the same. Only three players left from 02, we are lacking a spark. Charlie Vernon is probably our best prospect of the young brigade, but we need a stand out forwad to come through and it is not happening.

Tyrone should take us in the first round.

[mccoydromintee]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWdn6Gmrkz8


Remember this! :eek:

[fiordearg]

what about this GAA legend
Christy Ring

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVhwY5B-PhE

[fiordearg]

As I say I would not be too worried.

The reaction has been typical up here, we are useless etc, etc. Ignoring the fact that it was a league match when we were missing players and others were carrying knocks.

Of course after our second half showing against Kildare a few weeks back apparently we were the best team in the land.

So I can take one hell of a beating in April and not bat an eyelid, tis the summer that counts.

Worrying all the same. Only three players left from 02, we are lacking a spark. Charlie Vernon is probably our best prospect of the young brigade, but we need a stand out forwad to come through and it is not happening.

Tyrone should take us in the first round.

i would never worry about the league too much but it does indicate some form alright.

[mccoydromintee]

i would never worry about the league too much but it does indicate some form alright.

Certainly does. We ahve been a mixed bag.

[fiordearg]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8032844.stm

cork win another u-21 football title. that's 2 in three 3 years. shows there is talent coming through. john cleary great cork player now successful manager

:D

[fiordearg]

armagh and cork lose in football and hurling....

should have beaten tipp all the same. Aisake Ó hAilpin showed potential but Tipp maybe deserved it. Confident enough that we'll give more of an account of ourselves this year.

[Devski]

Tyrone showed some classy touches in the defeat of Armagh but were ragged enough at times. Armagh showed spirit & pressed hard after they got their goal but Tyrone always had plenty in hand. Good show.

[RedRafa]

Anyone give Cork a chance against Kerry tomorrow?.
I think Cork will give them a right rattle, Kerry will be up for this though with O'Connor in charge again.
Odds on Paddy Power: Kerry 4:7 Cork 2:1.
Great price for Cork, I'm going to hand some more money over to Paddy Power tomorrow....:o

[Lorenzo]

I think cork will do well, i'll be too busy shouting for the royals! I love getting one over them jackiens, doesn't happen too often tho!

[fiordearg]

it will be hard for cork but no better time than to get kerry early in the championship. the defending champions will be hard pressed to defend that crown. come on you rebels.

[fiordearg]

could have won that game. damn!

[red_bren_08]

Watched the Dubs today...15 wides... Another long summer for all Dublin supporters wondering if Sam will grace the capital again

[ferg_g]

It will do when Tyrone take it down for a day out in September.

[ger_ryan22]

Watched the Dubs today...15 wides... Another long summer for all Dublin supporters wondering if Sam will grace the capital again

17 wides Bren, awful! Always a positive sign I suppose when you play badly and win. Dublin won't win it though. I'm just delighted St Pats destroyed Bohs!! :D

[fiordearg]

don't mind the dubs wait til the rebels destroy the kingdom.

[red_bren_08]

The cork lads are after slapping the kingdom 1-17 to 0-12. Didn't see the game so can't comment. Fair play to Cork must of doing something right to beat Kerry like that

[fiordearg]

yes, hopefully they will continue the form for the munster final and quarter-finals. in fairness they should thump limerick now.

much more optimistic about the rebel footballers than hurlers.

[fiordearg]

enjoyed kk vs galway yesterday. what about joe canning? he is a one-man team. like v cork last year not enough of his buddies can score to help him along.

[Devski]

Tyrone were always in control against Derry today in Belfast, apart from getting a few injuries against a physical Derry side it was a fairy routine win. They look strong.

[fiordearg]

hard to watch sometimes gaelic can be quite dour esp in ulster

enjoyed tipp v clare, the banner should have been blown out of it but they fought well. two very good hurling games on telly this weekend. hats off to the dubs for beating wexford too. the dublin public should come out in support of the team even if they do get thrashed by kk as most teams do. dublin are making good progress in hurling. i believe they have put a lot into underage.

[red_bren_08]

The Dubs were smashing yesterday thats the type of performance they needed a few wides but not letting Westmeath into the game at all, they absolutely battered them and showed no mercy.

Now time for Kildare and slap some manners on them too... ;)

I hate getting pissed during the day and then you can't sleep at night

[mccoydromintee]

hard to watch sometimes gaelic can be quite dour esp in ulster

e.


To be honest I would take Ulster football any day over the non-contact sport that is prevailing in the other three provinces. Defensive work is as much a part of the sport as attacking play.

Does get a bit ridiculous at times, but Ulster has been the most competitive province over the last decade.

[fiordearg]

presuming cork beat limerick and tyrone beat antrim, which should happen, they will avoid each other in the quarters. i reckon it's between tyrone, cork, kerry and dublin. can't see another team breaking through but you don't know.

[ger_ryan22]

The Dubs were unbelievable!

[fiordearg]

they played a woeful team. leinster football aside the dubs has been the poor relation of intercounty football for a decade. has there been a leinster team even contest a final not mind win one since '99? westmeath have been in freefall all year to be fair.

[fiordearg]

what was the final result of armagh/monaghan. really what i saw i could watch paint dry and be more entertained.

[ger_ryan22]

Big hurling game tomorrow!! I can't believe we're even in a hurling final but it'll be a tough one for the Dubs. They'll more than likely lose :( Positive eh!

[markahalpin]

Dubs have a better chance of lifting Liam mcCarthy than Sam, and there's no hope of that. Kilkenny will beat them without getting out of second gear. Having said that, i do think the Dubs have made huge strides recently in the hurling but still have a long way to go.

Armagh lost by 1 point, in a v poor game. There seems to be alot of sub-standard teams/performances so far in this years championships, but hopefully that'll pick up once the qualifiers has gotten rid of all the crap teams.

Mayo for Sam anyone???

[ferg_g]

Armagh out already :D

[fiordearg]

Armagh have gone way back. We gave them a good pasting in the league. Shouted for the Dubs yesterday for the 1st time in my life against KK. They have made great strides but KK had the class when they needed it.

Cork were very bad vs Limerick in the MFSC final. Will have to improve 100% in the QFs and especially in the semis where they would meet one of Kerry, Dublin and Tyrone given form.

[mccoydromintee]

Tough times to be an Armagh fan, horrible, horrible performance.

Refere gave Monaghan everything, but we desrved to lose anyway.

Hard to know where we can go in the future.

[RedRafa]

Tough times to be an Armagh fan, horrible, horrible performance.

Refere gave Monaghan everything, but we desrved to lose anyway.

Hard to know where we can go in the future.

The ref could have given Armagh a chance to finish off the attack, blowing up on 57 secs with a minute added time was a bit harsh considering Armagh were past the half way line.

Still, Armagh were poor as you say.
Will you be shouting for Kildare on Sunday given the Armagh connection?

Cork were haunted though it could be the best thing to happen them.
Miskella, Lynch and O' Leary were a big loss considering that they are very good at carrying the ball out of defence and providing support.
If Limerick had another decent forward they'd have been out of sight at half time.
Galvin is a class act in midfield for Limerick.

[justincredible]

The ref could have given Armagh a chance to finish off the attack, blowing up on 57 secs with a minute added time was a bit harsh considering Armagh were past the half way line.

Still, Armagh were poor as you say.
Will you be shouting for Kildare on Sunday given the Armagh connection?

Cork were haunted though it could be the best thing to happen them.
Miskella, Lynch and O' Leary were a big loss considering that they are very good at carrying the ball out of defence and providing support.
If Limerick had another decent forward they'd have been out of sight at half time.
Galvin is a class act in midfield for Limerick.

I`m sure our man McCoy will be shouting for the Ulster teams this weekend. Bloody dissapointed we`ve got Derry again so soon but it`s good to be still in it.

[mccoydromintee]

I`m sure our man McCoy will be shouting for the Ulster teams this weekend. Bloody dissapointed we`ve got Derry again so soon but it`s good to be still in it.


Very disappointed with the Monaghan fans Justin, coming out with the old British shit.

RedRafa, yes Kildare are now my adopted team due to Grimley and McGeeney.