Take action against S*n scum

[gimme5]

http://www.lfconline.com/news/loadnews.asp?cid=TMNW&id=312319

[big dutch]

well done

[REDMATT]

Are we better to complain and have his show withdrawn or leave it and jam the lines on the day?

[gimme5]

good point Matt

but if we threaten to jam it he could pull the show himself and claim some sort of victimisation, as he tried after the question time fiasco.

[big dutch]

and to be honest, on christmas day ???

also is it a phone in ??

as far as im concerned, he pulled out of question time on advise, would rather he didnt get on the air at all.

if he has to let the bbc down again, they will surely think twice before giving him anymore work

[AllezLesRouges]

Complaint sent. He'll probably pull out now anyway so get complaining.

[Ducatiboy749]

sent...BBC are utter cunts....I'm embarassed for them.:mad:

[REDMATT]

but if we threaten to jam it he could pull the show himself and claim some sort of victimisation, as he tried after the question time fiasco.

As Dutch says tho thats if its a phone in. I thought that after I'd posted.
I'll complain this afternoon.

The only thing I thought about complaining was "Its them scousers again, picking on me, I'm the victim here". I know as we all do thats bollocks though.

[big dutch]

As Dutch says tho thats if its a phone in. I thought that after I'd posted.
I'll complain this afternoon.

The only thing I thought about complaining was "Its them scousers again, picking on me, I'm the victim here". I know as we all do thats bollocks though.

but and a big but
just on this forum, there are liverpool fans all over the world
if the bbc just got complaints from the liverpool post code then he could say that, but he will be getting complaints (hopefully) from all over

[Ducatiboy749]

but and a big but
just on this forum, there are liverpool fans all over the world
if the bbc just got complaints from the liverpool post code then he could say that, but he will be getting complaints (hopefully) from all over


Amsterdam included. Come on you Scandies/Aussies/Hong Kong(ites?)...your club needs you!

[aledrobertslfc4]

Sent complaint very disappointed with the BBC

[big dutch]

Reply from BBC
im sure anyone who has complained will recieve the same but thought id share it with you anyway

Thank you for contacting the BBC



This is to let you know that we are dealing with your recent complaint
but are waiting to clarify some points with other colleagues in the BBC
before we reply more fully to you.



We will of course respond as soon as possible but trust you will
understand that the time taken can also depend on the nature and number
of the other complaints we are currently investigating. The BBC also
issues public responses to issues which prompt large numbers of
significant complaints and these can be read on our website at
www.bbc.co.uk/complaints



We would be grateful if you would not reply to this email and, in the
meantime, would like to thank you for contacting us with details of your
concerns.



Regards



BBC Information

[Ducatiboy749]

although mine said "reply required"?

[boshy]

Done!

[Theschultx]

Done - From Finland!!!

[XABI RULES]

Complaint logged

[REDMATT]

Kelvin MacKenzie is clearly a liar and a cheat.
I am disappointed, in fact disgusted that my license fee should contribute to his show and any payment made to him.
Although I usually have 5 live on for the majority of the day, I am seriously considering refraining from any future listening.

The man’s ego should not be able to manifest itself on any BBC programme, publication or event.

Please reconsider your schedule.


Done.

Sound like an angry pensioner though.

[Red_on_Silver]

http://www.lfconline.com/news/loadnews.asp?cid=TMNW&id=312319
Can someone tell me what this prick is doing having his 'own show' on BBC's Five Live. I thought he owned Talksport. Is it allowed that he can do this?

Just some info would be gratfully received.

Complaint lodged, bastard:mad: :mad: :mad:

[Laura_25]

Sent an email of complaint.

[King Xabi]

Complaint Sent.

[Brod]

The BBC are giving this twat air time on Christmas day.

Please click on the following link and make a complaint about it.

We don't pay our licence fees to put money in this liars pocket.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/make_complaint_step1.shtml

[AllezLesRouges]

Already hammered them mate

[Brod]

Nice one ace.

Hopefully this vile twat will feel the noose tighten if we get involved in everything he does.

[benimar_col]

Already hammered them mate

ditto

[Ducatiboy749]

ditto


twice

[1984]

There's a thread on TTWAR on this, and it's good to see it here too.

I take it the forumites on this site know of the reasons for all this?

[Laura_25]

There's a thread on TTWAR on this, and it's good to see it here too.

I take it the forumites on this site know of the reasons for all this?
One would hope that they do.

For those of you on here that hadn't seen the other thread on this forum regarding this, here it is, including a copy of their automated response.

http://forums.lfconline.com/showthread.php?t=49120

[SCOOBY]

Done with middle England postcode on it.

[Laura_25]

Done with middle England postcode on it.
Good idea. It shows that people affected by this are not solely inhabitants of the city of Liverpool.

[1984]

One sent from Germany, well Europe as there was no option for Germany.

[crossbar2]

Lying scumbag shouldn´t have his own toilet let alone his own radio show.

Sent from España

[scousey_baby]

Well i've entered a complaint for scotland. Keep em coming.

[Jimmys Chippy]

Complaint sent. :mad:

[kopiteclarkey]

Complaint sent, I'm not sure the BBC realise that this man genuinely causes hurt and distress. Utter Scum.

[boshy]

Just got this back from the BBC

This is to let you know that we are dealing with your recent complaint
but are waiting to clarify some points with other colleagues in the BBC
before we reply more fully to you.

[Laura_25]

Just got this back from the BBC

This is to let you know that we are dealing with your recent complaint
but are waiting to clarify some points with other colleagues in the BBC
before we reply more fully to you.
That's the automated response that we have all received. Which in my mind means "Hello, we can't actually be arsed to read your complaint"
That said, if the volume of complaints is high enough, perhaps they will consider that enough to warrant a response at the very least.
Watch this space.

[etihsderaton]

email sent

[Fowler9]

E-mail sent with Bradford postcode. If that programme does get aired - I will not listen to 5live again. I haven't had a response yet.....:mad:

[simon pieman]

E.mail sent with worcestshire post code

[candyman]

Done. From London.

Dear Sir/Madam

I have recently become aware that the BBC has decided to give Mr Kelvin Mackenzie a show on Christmas day.

I would like to take this opportunity to lodge my dismay and regret that the BBC should award the man who is responsible for so much pain and hurt through his editorship of the Sun newspaper a show. Especially on Christmas day.

If the BBC is to maintain it's dignity and standards, people of such dubious character cannot be allowed such a platform.

I'm sure it was not the intention of the BBC to be so insensitive to such a large minority of people (which is a majority in one of our major cities) and I would expect the BBC to do the correct thing.

Many thanks for your time.

Faithfully
blah blah

Mods, can we make this a sticky?

[irishred]

Complaint sent from Ireland.

Hope they take his lying ass off the air.

Could a lot of Reds fans get tickets for the show, and not let him speak all night? Or simply bombard him with questions showing why he was totally wrong?

[speedy the red]

cant believe this cunt still thinks he's right about what he published in the s*n some people never learn the bbc should hang their head in shame:mad:

[candyman]

Already sent complaint.

Mods can we make one of these Mackenzie threads a sticky?
The more people complain the better.

[AllezLesRouges]

email sent


Nice one mate

[Laura_25]

Yeah I'm quite happy to do that, the more of us complain the better.
In fact, I may merge the two threads and then stick it.

[Laura_25]

Right, the two threads concerning this scumbag have been merged, and I shall stick it for a week or so, possibly longer if people still keep looking at the thread.
Keep it up with the complaints, we can never have too many.

[Red Brigger]

Done

[mickmcc]

Done

Done from Oz

[candyman]

Yeah I'm quite happy to do that, the more of us complain the better.
In fact, I may merge the two threads and then stick it.

I was gonna suggest merging them too, but then I thought I don't need to. Great minds and all that... ;)

[Laura_25]

I was gonna suggest merging them too, but then I thought I don't need to. Great minds and all that... ;)
Something like that. ;)

[NZRed]

Complaint sent from New Zealand

[petermurphy]

complaint sent

[macca6]

sent

[robbieB]

Get every one you know with an email family and friends to lodge a complaint. I've sent two so far from diff emails. If this goes to air I'm changing fooball news website and turning of any BBC sponsored shows terrestrial alike.

[dundee red]

Another one from Scotland.

[candyman]

Recieved the standard acknowledgement from the BBC.

Would sending an email to the offal to put this issue on the site help?
It would reach a lot more fans that way.
More importantly would they do it?

[Ed the Red]

... from IoM

A couple of points,
the more complaints the better, the BBC have to keep a log of them, if they allow him to go on air they will then have to justify it having had x thousands of e-mails.

Keep them polite and use the word "offensive".

Guy's in Liverpool, I suggest you contact Radio Merseyside and bring the subject up there on both the lunchtime call in and the sports programmes.

If the BBC want to be associated with this scumbag then they will have to face the music!!!

[Ed the Red]

You can lodge a complaint with BBC Radio Merseyside at

http://www.bbc.co.uk/feedback/

[23carra]

complaint made.

[loothapub]

Complaint sent

[snouty17]

sign the petition RAWK have got going. knocking on for 800 signatures on there now.

http://www.petitiononline.com/rawk1/petition.html

[SCOOBY]

Take a look at the comments next to signature 762:eek:.Woppa.

[Ed the Red]

.... If the BBC go ahead with this, I believe we would be with our rights to boycott the BBC and withhold licence fees.
Can you imagine the bad publicity the BBC would get worldwide when the first case came to court.
They are playing with fire!!!

[Tobyshore]

Take a look at the comments next to signature 762:eek:.Woppa.

'threatens the integrity of the S** newspaper'....
I wasn't aware it had any....

[MarkLFCfan]

Amsterdam included. Come on you Scandies/Aussies/Hong Kong(ites?)...your club needs you!

Malta too

[liverpool lad]

I sent an email to Roger Philips at radio merseyside but was unable to listen and see if it was read out.

[irishred]

Signed the petition, hope he's taken off

[Ed the Red]

First we have that scumbag mouthing off in Newcastle.
Then this programme at Christmas,
then if you look at the Thread "Words Fail Me" (mods can you add it here?)
You will see that a so called Chelski fan TV presenter has been mouthing off in US on Fox about Liverpool Fans being responsible for Hysel and Hillsborough.

I could understand it more if the aniversary was coming up but why all of a sudden are these so called "media" guys pouring salt into the wounds!!!

[Laura_25]

I hadn't seen that other thread, what a complete prick. :mad:
I think it actually warrants a thread in its own right, so I won't merge it into this one, but for anyone who wants to read the other thread, the url is:

http://forums.lfconline.com/showthread.php?t=49153

And the link for the actual story is:

http://www.thisisanfield.com/article_3.php?p=680

For anyone who just want to read what it says.

[what fhe tuck!!]

could it be that the sudden rash of media links and comments re ourselves and hillsborough/hysel could be as a result of the recent take over talks and maybe its some journos way of tying to prevent the takeover by dishing dirt and besmirching the name of LFC in an attempt to show DCI that it may not be wise to involve themselves with a club that attracts this sort of publicity

it could be that they are afraid liverpool fC along with DCI funding will upset the apple cart for some clubs

just a thought:rolleyes:

[what fhe tuck!!]

complaint logged with bbc and complaint also logged with foxsport re that chelsea scum over in america and complaint logged with foxsports sponsors adidas nike and british airways
im fumming:mad:

[boshy]

sign the petition RAWK have got going. knocking on for 800 signatures on there now.

http://www.petitiononline.com/rawk1/petition.html


Nearly 1700 now!

[Can Man Red]

Come home from work about 10pm, cup of tea, grilled cheese sandwich, a beer, then on here for a nice quiet read, now I'm all pissed off, letter's to the BBC and that right wing crowd Fox network in the US. must settle down starting to get short with the wife.

[5REDSTARS]

Sent. Co Durham postcode.

[CODE RED]

Complaint sent. He'll probably pull out now anyway so get complaining.

Complaint done.

Hope the fracker runs under his rock again.

[Ed the Red]

the petition

http://www.petitiononline.com/rawk1/petition.html

now stands at 4098 signatures.
If you haven't signed yet, what are you waiting for, lets get it over 5,000

[Dawn Of The Red]

Petition signed & Complaint sent to BBC.

[robbieB]

Anyone received a reply other than the standard from BBC. I'm still waiting. Bit surprised at the lack of posts on this actually:(

[wilky27]

Complaint sent, petition signed!

This fu*kwit will rot in hell!

[1984]

I haven't heard anything from BBC, apart from the first Email. Last time there were complaints about him they dealt with it quicker.

[Laura_25]

The following has just been posted by Sevcan on TTWAR...I am sure he wont mind me pasting it over here, it's the reply he has had from the BBC.

Thank you for your recent email regarding the Radio Five Live Review of the Year which is due to be broadcast on Christmas Day.

We raised your concerns with Bob Shennan, the Controller of Five Live, who has responded as follows to your concerns:

"We’re sorry to hear of your objection to Kelvin MacKenzie’s role as a presenter for this programme. While we fully recognise the strength of feeling that some people have against Kelvin, he has a great deal of experience in broadcasting and a keen eye for stories, which makes him well qualified to give his views on the news stories of the year.

Kelvin MacKenzie will always arouse strong feelings from our audience - that’s in his nature as a broadcaster and as a person – and clearly not everyone wants to hear what he has to say, but equally there are many others who appreciate hearing his opinions even when they don’t agree with them.

Many people have highlighted to us Kelvin’s recent statement in which he said he wasn’t sorry about the Sun newspaper’s handling of the tragedy at Hillsborough, but such private comments are entirely his own and they are in no way endorsed by the BBC. We believe he is an appropriate choice as presenter for this particular programme, but your comments have been registered and will be taken into consideration."

Bob Shennan
Controller of Five Live

Thank you, once more, for taking the time to contact the BBC.

Regards


BBC Information

[boshy]

I think thats the standard reply we are all getting. I got the same yesterday. To me it just says "We are sitting on the fence on this one, and we don't have the balls to cancel his show"

[Fowler9]

The following has just been posted by Sevcan on TTWAR...I am sure he wont mind me pasting it over here, it's the reply he has had from the BBC.

Thank you for your recent email regarding the Radio Five Live Review of the Year which is due to be broadcast on Christmas Day.

We raised your concerns with Bob Shennan, the Controller of Five Live, who has responded as follows to your concerns:

"We’re sorry to hear of your objection to Kelvin MacKenzie’s role as a presenter for this programme. While we fully recognise the strength of feeling that some people have against Kelvin, he has a great deal of experience in broadcasting and a keen eye for stories, which makes him well qualified to give his views on the news stories of the year.

Kelvin MacKenzie will always arouse strong feelings from our audience - that’s in his nature as a broadcaster and as a person – and clearly not everyone wants to hear what he has to say, but equally there are many others who appreciate hearing his opinions even when they don’t agree with them.

Many people have highlighted to us Kelvin’s recent statement in which he said he wasn’t sorry about the Sun newspaper’s handling of the tragedy at Hillsborough, but such private comments are entirely his own and they are in no way endorsed by the BBC. We believe he is an appropriate choice as presenter for this particular programme, but your comments have been registered and will be taken into consideration."

Bob Shennan
Controller of Five Live

Thank you, once more, for taking the time to contact the BBC.

Regards


BBC Information


I've just got that e-mail - was about to post it as thought it wasn't a standard reply. I still can't believe the BBC - who we all pay licence fee money for state that they do not mind putting this prick on the radio.

Still sounds like they won't be backing down and will be broadcasting on Christmas Day. Think the HJC shop need to get a sticker campaign going about boycotting 5 Live as well as the S*n.

[Theschultx]

I have the same email. I think all you UK'ites if you can, should get on the phone and jam the lines when he has his show...

Knacker that sun scum!!

[liverpool lad]

I am personally very disappoint in the BBC and have sent a further complaint to them at this address

http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/

I suggest we all do the same. This is my further complaint.

FAO Bob Shennan

Thank you for your reply to my complaint over Mr Kelvin McKenzie.

If Mr McKenzie were to privatley confess to holding antisemetic or racist views would you at the BBC still give this man a platform?

I believe that his views private or otherwise are so offensive to the people of Liverpool and any right thinking people across the land that they will be appauled at your choice. Mr McKenzie raised his profile in the media on the back of the pain and heartache of the families of those who lost their lives at Hillsborough. What does the publicly funded BBC do? You reward Mr McKenzie with a platform for further media coverage.

I am ashamed Bob and the question is why aren't you?

Yours sincerely

Liverpool Lad

[Fowler9]

I am personally very disappoint in the BBC and have sent a further complaint to them at this address

http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/

I suggest we all do the same. This is my further complaint.

FAO Bob Shennan

Thank you for your reply to my complaint over Mr Kelvin McKenzie.

If Mr McKenzie were to privatley confess to holding antisemetic or racist views would you at the BBC still give this man a platform?

I believe that his views private or otherwise are so offensive to the people of Liverpool and any right thinking people across the land that they will be appauled at your choice. Mr McKenzie raised his profile in the media on the back of the pain and heartache of the families of those who lost their lives at Hillsborough. What does the publicly funded BBC do? You reward Mr McKenzie with a platform for further media coverage.

I am ashamed Bob and the question is why aren't you?

Yours sincerely

Liverpool Lad


Very good point made there mate. All will happen though is some pen-pusher will send the same standard e-mail out to us all again, although I and I think everyone else should e-mail - just bombard them with e-mails and hopefully they will take this piece of scum off the air.

[candyman]

:mad: I got the same standard reply.
I was thinking of sending in a further complaint but it seems pointless.

[Fowler9]

:mad: I got the same standard reply.
I was thinking of sending in a further complaint but it seems pointless.

I thought that but we need to keep this going - lets all keep persistantly e-mailing them. It might not work, but you never know.

[liverpool lad]

:mad: I got the same standard reply.
I was thinking of sending in a further complaint but it seems pointless.


http://forums.lfconline.com/showthread.php?t=49275

Candyman read this thread in paticular post number 8.

[robbieB]

Just read that article (No8) and if I was never motivated enough before, I certainly am now. I too received the same reply from BBC and I can tell you I'll be replying with non standard replys from now til Christmas and even beyond if the BBC allow this sadistic arse mackenzie to have his warped view of the world aired on the nations core broadcaster.

I urge you all, apethetic or pesimist, proactive or optimistic, maintain the rage. I no longer use the BBC and will not until we get some less than standard reaction from the BBC.

I can tell you now the only reason the response has been standard is because we need numbers, not 100's but thousands of us.

And agreed with the lad earlier saying we should jam the radio lines, lets do it for the victims, their families and all us loyal reds.

[liverpool lad]

I don't know if this will work but I have a friend who works at the BBC (radio merseyside) who stated each BBC empolyee gets a personal email address for instance Joe Bloggs would be joe.bloggs@bbc.co.uk so he said in theory Bob Shennan Head of Radio 5 should have a personal address and it will be

bob.shennan@bbc.co.uk

I have sent an email to this address at 9.10pm this evening and it has not been returned to me as of now 9.30pm. I suggest you all do the same. The worst that can happen is you get ignored but Bob will be a liitle surprised when he opens his mailbox tomorrow.

[robbieB]

Done. and one on the site to boot.

[Crimson Tide]

Complaint sent.

Underlined the fact that the BBC is supposed to represent the face of unbiased, honest and reliable journalism with a reputation to uphold, and that allowing airtime to such a person before they have apologised unreservedly and whose actions go against for everything that the BBC is supposed to represent, shames the company and makes them seem allied to his point of view.

Reality is it probably won't have any effect (as in cancelling his show), but at least if they get a few thousand complaints they will know how strongly feelings run and think again before doing anything similar (one hopes)

[Crimson Tide]

I just had a thought (yes it does happen sometimes).... perhaps the only way they will take notice and consider taking any action apart from a standard email reply is to make them take notice on the radio. Does anyone in Liverpool have connections with radio stations? The more people mention this on local radio talk shows and stir up the public discontent, the more people will talk about it and hence the BBC will have to take notice if it begins to make local news. Same can be said about getting journalists to publish stories in local papers.
I don't live there or know anyone who does, but for those who do or might know someone who does, perhaps this is an idea to get some fires stoked?

[1984]

In an ideal world our players wouldn't give interviews to the BBC any more.

[boshy]

email sent to bob.shennan@bbc.co.uk

could also try sending to

b.shennan@bbc.co.uk
shennan.b@bbc.co.uk
shennan.bob@bbc.co.uk

[liverpool lad]

Boshy I sent one to your first choice bob.shennan@bbc.co.uk and it hasn't been returned(sent last night at 9pm)

[robbieB]

Same here, I just had a thought, I should of sent it with a read receipt flag. Will try now

[Dyllan Thomas]

Same here, I just had a thought, I should of sent it with a read receipt flag. Will try now

Read receipts are not reliable though because the recipient can request for the receipt to not be sent...

If ya cacha ma drift!

:D

[robbieB]

Just got this back so our mail to bob may be getting screened:mad:

As part of the delivery process, your message was relayed to a machine which does not handle delivery status notifications. As a result, it is not possible to determine whether the message will get to its final destination.

Please reply to <Postmaster@mx.bigpond.com> if you feel this message to be in error.

[Ed the Red]

Hi Guys,
Second complaint sent in reply to their standard rsponse. I cc'd to bob Shennan and Anthony Salz who is acting chairman.
Also spotted two complaint lines as well

Phone:
08700 100 222

Textphone:
08700 100 212

I think the Club needs to do something on this.
If they threatened to boycott all contact with the BBC then there is no way MacKenzie would be allowed to broadcast.

[Dyllan Thomas]

I think the Club needs to do something on this.
If they threatened to boycott all contact with the BBC then there is no way MacKenzie would be allowed to broadcast.

I thought about contacting the club but I thought they might not want to start a big public row with a company like the BBC.....

[AllezLesRouges]

The club don't give a flying fuck about this.

[Dyllan Thomas]

But they give a flying fuck about april 15th....surely

[ferg_g]

http://onthekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=1949.0

This answers the question on the clubs stance

[AllezLesRouges]

But they give a flying fuck about april 15th....surely


They do what they have to do, that's it.

[Dyllan Thomas]

Well I am well and truly disappointed and disheartenend :*(

I thought our club was better than that!! Guess having faith in people is a waste of time (well not all, there are some angels out there :) )

[robbieB]

Rest assured Bob Sheehan is getting the emails. I have a read receipt from him. Everyone on this forum please write to bob.sheehan@bbc.co.uk,

:) people power will prevail.

[boshy]

See my 'Reply From Colin Murray' thread.

http://forums.lfconline.com/showthread.php?t=49431

[candyman]

Sent an email to the Bob Sheehan on the address listed in the thread but it was bounced back. Delivery Failure.
Anybody else have this problem?

[Laura_25]

Is it not Bob Shennan? :confused:

[candyman]

Rest assured Bob Sheehan is getting the emails. I have a read receipt from him. Everyone on this forum please write to bob.sheehan@bbc.co.uk,

:) people power will prevail.

I used the above.
Is it wrong?

[Laura_25]

I used the above.
Is it wrong?

Yeah, it's Bob Shennan!

[candyman]

So who the hell does RobbieB have a reciept from?

[candyman]

OK.
Email sent to Bob Shennan (and Bob Sheehan - whoever he is).

[Laura_25]

So who the hell does RobbieB have a reciept from?

I have no idea, but it certainly isn't the controller of 5 Live!!

Here's a copy of the generic reply we all received again:

Thank you for your recent email regarding the Radio Five Live Review of the Year which is due to be broadcast on Christmas Day.

We raised your concerns with Bob Shennan, the Controller of Five Live, who has responded as follows to your concerns:

"We're sorry to hear of your objection to Kelvin MacKenzie's role as a presenter for this programme. While we fully recognise the strength of feeling that some people have against Kelvin, he has a great deal of experience in broadcasting and a keen eye for stories, which makes him well qualified to give his views on the news stories of the year.

Kelvin MacKenzie will always arouse strong feelings from our audience - that's in his nature as a broadcaster and as a person - and clearly not everyone wants to hear what he has to say, but equally there are many others who appreciate hearing his opinions even when they don't agree with them.

Many people have highlighted to us Kelvin's recent statement in which he said he wasn't sorry about the Sun newspaper's handling of the tragedy at Hillsborough, but such private comments are entirely his own and they are in no way endorsed by the BBC. We believe he is an appropriate choice as presenter for this particular programme' but your comments have been registered and will be taken into consideration."

Bob Shennan
Controller of Five Live

Thank you, once more, for taking the time to contact the BBC.

Regards


BBC Information

[candyman]

I have no idea, but it certainly isn't the controller of 5 Live!!

Here's a copy of the generic reply we all received again:

Thank you for your recent email regarding the Radio Five Live Review of the Year which is due to be broadcast on Christmas Day.

We raised your concerns with Bob Shennan, the Controller of Five Live, who has responded as follows to your concerns:

"We're sorry to hear of your objection to Kelvin MacKenzie's role as a presenter for this programme. While we fully recognise the strength of feeling that some people have against Kelvin, he has a great deal of experience in broadcasting and a keen eye for stories, which makes him well qualified to give his views on the news stories of the year.

Kelvin MacKenzie will always arouse strong feelings from our audience - that's in his nature as a broadcaster and as a person - and clearly not everyone wants to hear what he has to say, but equally there are many others who appreciate hearing his opinions even when they don't agree with them.

Many people have highlighted to us Kelvin's recent statement in which he said he wasn't sorry about the Sun newspaper's handling of the tragedy at Hillsborough, but such private comments are entirely his own and they are in no way endorsed by the BBC. We believe he is an appropriate choice as presenter for this particular programme' but your comments have been registered and will be taken into consideration."

Bob Shennan
Controller of Five Live

Thank you, once more, for taking the time to contact the BBC.

Regards


BBC Information

Yeah I got that too, a couple of days ago from their official complaints dept.
So he's cutting and pasting from the previous official reply.

Nevertheless, we are at the very least clogging up his inbox and causing an inconvience, which i'm sure he'll want to avoid in future if he ever gets the ridiculous idea of hiring Mr Mackenzie again.

[Dyllan Thomas]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/2804227.stm

Visit here and "Have Your Say" on BBC site. Absolutely flood them with e-mails.

[1984]

I've sent an email to Bob Sheenan. It seems to have gone through.

[Ed the Red]

... the thread seems a bit quiet.
Looking at other sites I know that match day protests are planned to highlight our disgust at the BBC.
Another suggestion, can the guys in Liverpool start a campaign "against" BBC Radio Merseyside. I know its local Radio but it will register on the BBC radar.

[Stet]

Sent my email and signed the petition( now up to 8970!)

[Ed the Red]

I just read this on another thread ("Read This").
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelvin_Mackenzie

McKenzie's CV hardly shows him as an expert sports pundit, or does thinking up "Topless Darts" rate very highly in the BBC's view?

All this is just bollocks - the Five Live are just using McKenzie because he's controversal.
By their standards look out for suicide bombers reading on Jackanory and the leader of the BNP presenting the weather over Christmas !!! :mad:

[robbieB]

So who the hell does RobbieB have a reciept from?


So sorry I'm lisdexic

bob.shennan@bbc.co.uk

[AntonioLFC08]

I emailed the BBC ages ago and didn't get the generic reply that the rest of you got. Also sent two letters to the two complaints departments on Friday but doubt I'll get anything back.

[candyman]

So sorry I'm lisdexic

bob.shennan@bbc.co.uk

Poor Me Sheehan now has an inbox full of vitriolic emails because of you. :rolleyes:

[ferg_g]

I take it no one has had a reply yet.

[AntonioLFC08]

I've still not had a reply from the BBC after sending two letters and today was the last day for sending out first class post! :mad:

[Ed the Red]

I have had the following reply to my second letter of complaint to the BBC...

Dear Mr Watling

Thank you for your e-mail regarding 'Kelvin MacKenzie's Review of the Year'.

I understand you continue to have concerns about this Five Live broadcast.

Again, we raised your concerns with Bob Shennan, the Controller of Five
Live, who has responded as follows to your concerns:

"Firstly let me assure you that I take your comments extremely seriously.
We would never set out to cause offence to any of our listeners in our
endeavour to offer a range of perspectives on current affairs.

Clearly Mr MacKenzie is a very controversial figure who arouses very strong
feelings. I recognise that to some he is simply offensive. To others he is
not. He is, however, a national newspaper columnist and broadcast
commentator on current affairs, with a strong understanding of the media
and clear views on current affairs.

The Review programme is a one-off commission and is a personal assessment
of the big stories in 2006. As a national news Radio station Five Live has
a responsibility to explore a broad range of perspectives on the news
agenda. His private and public comments are not those of the BBC, nor will
they be billed as such."

Bob Shennan
Controller of Five Live

Nevertheless, I realise that you may continue to hold a different view on
the matter.
Please be assured that your comments have been registered and added to our
daily audience log. This is an internal document that is made available to
all BBC staff, including senior BBC management.

Once again, thank you for taking the time to contact us with the strength
of your concerns.

Regards

Paul Kettle
BBC Information
__________________________________________
Want free audience tickets to a BBC radio or TV show? Click
http://www.bbc.co.uk/whatson/tickets for current details

Reading between the lines, it looks like they are begining to realise that they have made a big mistake.
Now is the time for everyone to "bombard" them with e-mail and punch the message home!!

[Ed the Red]

If we keep the pressure up they will end up having to employ someone full time just to answer the emails.
Keep the pressure on them!!

[macca6]

sent another one to a number of adresses even if it's late now and it most probably wont make any difference, but am curious about their reply.


"I am not sure if this is the right mail adress but I would like to add my concerns about this show as I read some of your (the BBC's) replies to other complaints and I'm still not happy at all. I am well aware an opinion from an Austrian thousands of miles away might not be of much concern to you but I just wish you'd ask the dictionary for the term "piety" or even "respect" and stop giving people like Mackenzie room for his unacceptable sentiments towards certain events in 1989, wether it's to do with the show in question or not is irrelevant! Giving Kelvin Mackenzie this show (especially on Christmas Day!) is an act of highest offensive order to the 96 who lost their lives at Hillsborough, their families and all people in and around Liverpool, bearing in mind his highly disrespectful comments he aired not long ago! I can only hope this gets at least a small number of you thinking,

regards"

[CODE RED]

I listen to Radio5live and:

1. Radio 5 live do readily cause offence when they feel that hunger for a controversial story.
2. They often don't explore wide range of debates/topics.

[AntonioLFC08]

I've had a reply yesterday to a letter I sent to the BBC..

Dear Mr Nichols,

Thank you for your letter received 18 December
I should explain that the remit of the Editorial Complaints Unit is confided to cases which give reason to believe there may have been a breach of editorial standards in a specific item broadcast or published by the BBC.

As you complaint doesn't fall into that category, I'm passing it to BBC Information, who will ensure that your concerns are noted and arrange for a reply is appropriate.

Yours sincerely

Fraser Steel
Head of Editorial Complaints


So I sent it to the wrong department, but I sent two at the same time so hopefully I'll get another reply from the people who deal with it.

[Ed the Red]

Thanks for the e-mail. Please call mobile in emergency or failing that try Moz Dee or Mike Hill. Back in New Year. Bob

http://www.bbc.co.ukThis e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated.If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system.Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately.Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received.Further communication will signify your consent to this.

I just received the above when e-mailing Bob Shennan so it looks like e-mails are reaching his desk
Ed

[AntonioLFC08]

Thanks for the e-mail. Please call mobile in emergency or failing that try Moz Dee or Mike Hill. Back in New Year. Bob

http://www.bbc.co.ukThis e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated.If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system.Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately.Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received.Further communication will signify your consent to this.

I just received the above when e-mailing Bob Shennan so it looks like e-mails are reaching his desk
Ed

That's what I got as well so I sent my email on to moz.dee@bbc.co.uk
and mike.hill@bbc.co.uk

That was a few days ago and none of them have been returned.

[The Prince]

The following has just been posted by Sevcan on TTWAR...I am sure he wont mind me pasting it over here, it's the reply he has had from the BBC.

Thank you for your recent email regarding the Radio Five Live Review of the Year which is due to be broadcast on Christmas Day.

We raised your concerns with Bob Shennan, the Controller of Five Live, who has responded as follows to your concerns:

"We’re sorry to hear of your objection to Kelvin MacKenzie’s role as a presenter for this programme. While we fully recognise the strength of feeling that some people have against Kelvin, he has a great deal of experience in broadcasting and a keen eye for stories, which makes him well qualified to give his views on the news stories of the year.

Kelvin MacKenzie will always arouse strong feelings from our audience - that’s in his nature as a broadcaster and as a person – and clearly not everyone wants to hear what he has to say, but equally there are many others who appreciate hearing his opinions even when they don’t agree with them.

Many people have highlighted to us Kelvin’s recent statement in which he said he wasn’t sorry about the Sun newspaper’s handling of the tragedy at Hillsborough, but such private comments are entirely his own and they are in no way endorsed by the BBC. We believe he is an appropriate choice as presenter for this particular programme, but your comments have been registered and will be taken into consideration."

Bob Shennan
Controller of Five Live

Thank you, once more, for taking the time to contact the BBC.

Regards


BBC Information

Dear Bob,

Kelvin does indeed have the ability to spark controversy. Incidents such as branding us thousands of people who had hell going on around them murderers.

You may cordially go and fuck yourself.

Karl



Sorry, didn't send anything as the time as I, er, had other things going on.

[Silence Kit]

Kelvin MacKenzie will always arouse strong feelings from our audience - that’s in his nature as a broadcaster and as a person – and clearly not everyone wants to hear what he has to say, but equally there are many others who appreciate hearing his opinions even when they don’t agree with them.

Views are one thing, factual lies another.

Does anyone know if a slander case was every considered or taken against the Sun in relation to Hillsborough?

Excuse my ignorance in this regard.

[Ed the Red]

I had similar thoughts about slander/liable but since no names are mentioned it isn't possible claim.

Having said that I think someone with more legal knowledge than me should look at trying to get an injunction against MacKenzie.
He continues to spout proven lies in an effort to be controversal and stir up trouble.
Surely this is could be seen as provocative and a potential breach of the peace. Could we not seek a legal injunction to stop this?

[martinjmmac]

does anybody have information on that fuckin twirpes whereabouts and if he will be making any public appearances

[drexl]

Views are one thing, factual lies another.

Does anyone know if a slander case was every considered or taken against the Sun in relation to Hillsborough?

Excuse my ignorance in this regard.

This is what Chippindale/Horrie writes in Stick It Up Your Punter! The Uncut Story of The Sun Newspaper:

"The Sun’s story was a classic smear… All the allegations were non-attributable. They were either by unnamed policemen or, where attributed to named people like Patnick, were second-hand repeats of things which they only said they had been told, but which they had no direct knowledge of themselves and did not claim to have checked for accuracy." (Chippindale/Horrie, 1999: 345)

[The Reducer]

Now then,

I've been trying to post since Monday, but I've been getting my account activated.

I was in a taxi on my way home on Sunday night (08/04/2007) and the driver had radio 4 on, they were discussing immigration and our old friend McKenzie was one of the panellists.

I have emailed the BBC to let them know that they should be ashamed letting this vile fucker on the airwaves (again!) 1 week before the anniversary of Hillborough. I can't see my reply as my hotmail's playing up.

As I've not seen anyone discussing this on any of the forums I assume this is because radio 4 is a shit and no-one listens to it, still I don't think this should stop us giving them some shit for this gross insensitivity.

Cheers

[Lerpwl Am Byth]

What is it with the BBC and MacKenzie? :mad:

It would be bad enough a private company employing that cretin but an institution funded by licensees, many of whom undoubtedly suffered one way or another due to Hillsborough and MacKenzie's vile slander? It's enough to make your blood boil.

Is the online petition against his being employed by the BBC still there?